1 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:09,049 welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast 2 00:00:16,900 --> 00:00:13,930 from Australia for science and reason 3 00:00:23,630 --> 00:00:16,910 [Applause] 4 00:00:28,810 --> 00:00:25,070 you're listening to the skeptic Zone 5 00:00:31,009 --> 00:00:28,820 episode 738 for the 27th of November 6 00:00:32,389 --> 00:00:31,019 2022. I'll look out the window I'm not 7 00:00:33,709 --> 00:00:32,399 going to give you a weather report what 8 00:00:35,930 --> 00:00:33,719 do you think this is a free podcast 9 00:00:37,010 --> 00:00:35,940 about weather that may not matter what 10 00:00:38,209 --> 00:00:37,020 are you doing what are you doing I'm 11 00:00:39,889 --> 00:00:38,219 just doing the show for you because you 12 00:00:41,990 --> 00:00:39,899 come on you tell everybody you're going 13 00:00:43,670 --> 00:00:42,000 to race downstairs and get some stuff 14 00:00:45,049 --> 00:00:43,680 that you shouldn't and then you'd give 15 00:00:47,090 --> 00:00:45,059 them the weather report complain about 16 00:00:49,010 --> 00:00:47,100 the birds and the planes and that's 17 00:00:51,650 --> 00:00:49,020 pretty much the show you've heard the 18 00:00:53,990 --> 00:00:51,660 show yeah that is the show folks I'm at 19 00:00:55,310 --> 00:00:54,000 Maynard's International studio for a 20 00:00:57,529 --> 00:00:55,320 very important reason we've just 21 00:00:59,569 --> 00:00:57,539 finished filming with the help of 22 00:01:03,229 --> 00:00:59,579 Jessica singer Maynard's Christmas 23 00:01:04,549 --> 00:01:03,239 special for 2022. it's been an amazing 24 00:01:06,950 --> 00:01:04,559 production I want to go to the next 25 00:01:09,050 --> 00:01:06,960 level so the cruise doubled yeah so 26 00:01:12,230 --> 00:01:09,060 that's two normally I'm the crew yeah 27 00:01:14,330 --> 00:01:12,240 but we've had two crew this weekend and 28 00:01:18,109 --> 00:01:14,340 uh so what can people expect when they 29 00:01:20,330 --> 00:01:18,119 tune into maynard.com next weekend well 30 00:01:23,570 --> 00:01:20,340 I'll be uh reading selections from a 31 00:01:26,030 --> 00:01:23,580 Teen Magazine from December 1987. uh 32 00:01:28,850 --> 00:01:26,040 about the importance of white knee socks 33 00:01:30,649 --> 00:01:28,860 what when going out yes oh yeah white 34 00:01:32,450 --> 00:01:30,659 knee socks and brogues apparently with a 35 00:01:34,310 --> 00:01:32,460 go and I've got a whole stack of stuff 36 00:01:36,310 --> 00:01:34,320 like that for Christmas gift ideas for 37 00:01:39,289 --> 00:01:36,320 people white knee socks 38 00:01:41,690 --> 00:01:39,299 folks don't miss out on me not a very 39 00:01:44,390 --> 00:01:41,700 mean Odd Christmas special coming up uh 40 00:01:47,149 --> 00:01:44,400 next weekend and that'll be on the third 41 00:01:49,249 --> 00:01:47,159 I think third of December at quarter 42 00:01:50,569 --> 00:01:49,259 past eight the pre-show starts but if 43 00:01:52,490 --> 00:01:50,579 you're going to have a wee and can't be 44 00:01:53,690 --> 00:01:52,500 there till 8 30 The Surreal show starts 45 00:01:55,850 --> 00:01:53,700 at 8 30 but it's going to be a lot of 46 00:01:57,830 --> 00:01:55,860 fun people we've got a fire juggler and 47 00:02:00,410 --> 00:01:57,840 Richard made sure the whole thing looks 48 00:02:02,929 --> 00:02:00,420 good we do a real fire juggler it's true 49 00:02:04,850 --> 00:02:02,939 but folks coming up today on the skeptic 50 00:02:06,590 --> 00:02:04,860 Zone podcast we have an interview with 51 00:02:09,190 --> 00:02:06,600 Claire klingenberg who is the president 52 00:02:12,650 --> 00:02:09,200 of the European Council of skeptical 53 00:02:15,110 --> 00:02:12,660 organizations how about that wow that 54 00:02:16,729 --> 00:02:15,120 like so does she also run the EU she 55 00:02:21,170 --> 00:02:16,739 runs the whole thing wow she's the 56 00:02:23,930 --> 00:02:21,180 Illuminati wow personified wow EU EU and 57 00:02:26,869 --> 00:02:23,940 then after that it's uh the final love 58 00:02:29,270 --> 00:02:26,879 Rob Palmer's reports from cycon 2022 in 59 00:02:31,850 --> 00:02:29,280 Las Vegas including an interview with 60 00:02:34,850 --> 00:02:31,860 our friend avajit Chanda from India and 61 00:02:37,010 --> 00:02:34,860 Thomas Thomas Westbrook from holy 62 00:02:38,930 --> 00:02:37,020 Kool-Aid and you interviewed Thomas a 63 00:02:40,490 --> 00:02:38,940 couple of years back in Melbourne oh 64 00:02:41,509 --> 00:02:40,500 yeah that was a good skepticon there 65 00:02:42,949 --> 00:02:41,519 that was a lot of fun we had a great 66 00:02:44,270 --> 00:02:42,959 chat that evening with a whole bunch of 67 00:02:45,710 --> 00:02:44,280 people now when all these European 68 00:02:46,970 --> 00:02:45,720 Skeptics came here they'd get off the 69 00:02:49,490 --> 00:02:46,980 plane and they wouldn't talk to anybody 70 00:02:51,530 --> 00:02:49,500 unless they all used USBC is that the 71 00:02:54,470 --> 00:02:51,540 way they are they're European that's the 72 00:02:56,330 --> 00:02:54,480 way they are and we'll get to them get 73 00:02:58,729 --> 00:02:56,340 to those people in a moment then to 74 00:03:02,089 --> 00:02:58,739 round off the show Trove once again 75 00:03:03,770 --> 00:03:02,099 looks at UFOs in Australian newspapers 76 00:03:05,750 --> 00:03:03,780 well I showed you an Australian 77 00:03:07,729 --> 00:03:05,760 newspaper you were on your visit here 78 00:03:09,770 --> 00:03:07,739 that was found under my very house here 79 00:03:12,190 --> 00:03:09,780 during its construction it was I think 80 00:03:14,990 --> 00:03:12,200 February the 29th 81 00:03:17,149 --> 00:03:15,000 1929. it was before the stock market 82 00:03:18,890 --> 00:03:17,159 crash amazing this newspaper has been 83 00:03:20,649 --> 00:03:18,900 rolled up under Maynard's International 84 00:03:23,449 --> 00:03:20,659 Studios since 85 00:03:25,009 --> 00:03:23,459 1929 and there it was yeah 86 00:03:27,229 --> 00:03:25,019 who's constructed in the house either 87 00:03:28,250 --> 00:03:27,239 used it to wedge some wood or it had 88 00:03:29,449 --> 00:03:28,260 fallen out of their pocket because it 89 00:03:30,770 --> 00:03:29,459 looked like it had just been rolled up 90 00:03:32,449 --> 00:03:30,780 like that bought it that morning and 91 00:03:34,729 --> 00:03:32,459 read it and again get rid of it because 92 00:03:36,170 --> 00:03:34,739 what about a year or two back when I was 93 00:03:38,930 --> 00:03:36,180 here we were up in your ceiling and we 94 00:03:41,869 --> 00:03:38,940 found a newspaper from 1940 something 47 95 00:03:44,030 --> 00:03:41,879 someone had used it to uh stop a bit of 96 00:03:46,430 --> 00:03:44,040 a small leak because it was a very 97 00:03:48,050 --> 00:03:46,440 economical way to do that back then 98 00:03:50,149 --> 00:03:48,060 instead of replacing a terracotta tiles 99 00:03:52,009 --> 00:03:50,159 you just put some straw down with some 100 00:03:53,509 --> 00:03:52,019 newspaper and that would absorb it and 101 00:03:55,250 --> 00:03:53,519 by the time it dried out and it rained 102 00:03:56,570 --> 00:03:55,260 again it wouldn't be a problem it's just 103 00:03:58,130 --> 00:03:56,580 the sort of thing that happens here at 104 00:04:01,070 --> 00:03:58,140 Maynard's International studio now 105 00:04:03,110 --> 00:04:01,080 talking about our European guests uh the 106 00:04:04,970 --> 00:04:03,120 whole of the ESP podcast and 107 00:04:06,949 --> 00:04:04,980 clerklingenberg were in Sydney over the 108 00:04:09,289 --> 00:04:06,959 week that's just passed running around 109 00:04:10,729 --> 00:04:09,299 looking at all sorts of things we had a 110 00:04:12,830 --> 00:04:10,739 wonderful time we had Skeptics in the 111 00:04:14,330 --> 00:04:12,840 pub and interviews with them and 112 00:04:16,129 --> 00:04:14,340 Skeptics in the pub and little bits and 113 00:04:18,890 --> 00:04:16,139 pieces are coming up over the next few 114 00:04:20,449 --> 00:04:18,900 weeks and right now as we speak they're 115 00:04:23,030 --> 00:04:20,459 enjoying the company of the Melbourne 116 00:04:25,249 --> 00:04:23,040 Skeptics including the skeptical fairy 117 00:04:26,390 --> 00:04:25,259 godmother angel from the internet and 118 00:04:28,850 --> 00:04:26,400 they're on the way to Canberra aren't 119 00:04:31,129 --> 00:04:28,860 they eventually after they leave 120 00:04:33,710 --> 00:04:31,139 Melbourne they're going to the Gold 121 00:04:34,969 --> 00:04:33,720 Coast in Brisbane then finally ending up 122 00:04:38,230 --> 00:04:34,979 in Canberra for the big National 123 00:04:40,670 --> 00:04:38,240 Convention uh coming up uh next weekend 124 00:04:42,710 --> 00:04:40,680 that's an interesting way to do it I'm 125 00:04:45,050 --> 00:04:42,720 coming Australia and end up at Canberra 126 00:04:48,170 --> 00:04:45,060 it's really like yeah best you don't 127 00:04:50,030 --> 00:04:48,180 send them there first probably probably 128 00:04:51,830 --> 00:04:50,040 not I'm sure they're going to have a 129 00:04:53,330 --> 00:04:51,840 great time we all also like to make look 130 00:04:55,490 --> 00:04:53,340 Australians like to make jokes about 131 00:04:58,850 --> 00:04:55,500 Canberra it's like any South American 132 00:05:01,570 --> 00:04:58,860 making jokes about Brasilia okay yeah 133 00:05:04,189 --> 00:05:01,580 it's it's a capital city that's made up 134 00:05:06,050 --> 00:05:04,199 I'll buy that yeah anyway it may not now 135 00:05:07,550 --> 00:05:06,060 it's time to run around the corner down 136 00:05:09,830 --> 00:05:07,560 the hall into your kitchen what can we 137 00:05:11,990 --> 00:05:09,840 find well I bought you the good stuff 138 00:05:14,870 --> 00:05:12,000 last night remember I cracked open a 139 00:05:16,850 --> 00:05:14,880 bottle of my for Richard you did we had 140 00:05:18,530 --> 00:05:16,860 a bottle of Maui last night is there any 141 00:05:20,710 --> 00:05:18,540 left I wonder no look we're going to 142 00:05:24,529 --> 00:05:20,720 take turns sucking on the cork 143 00:05:26,270 --> 00:05:24,539 what what look I think I can find 144 00:05:28,249 --> 00:05:26,280 another bottle of something out there it 145 00:05:31,550 --> 00:05:28,259 might just not be from this house 146 00:05:34,570 --> 00:05:31,560 okay while we do that we hope you enjoy 147 00:05:37,610 --> 00:05:34,580 the skeptic Zone episode 148 00:05:38,689 --> 00:05:37,620 738. let's go where's that champagne uh 149 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:38,699 look uh we're just going to find someone 150 00:06:01,029 --> 00:05:40,090 with an open window 151 00:06:03,590 --> 00:06:01,039 [Music] 152 00:06:06,469 --> 00:06:03,600 what a day folks what a day it's been I 153 00:06:08,029 --> 00:06:06,479 got up nice and early I thought what am 154 00:06:10,249 --> 00:06:08,039 I going to do today I know I'll just go 155 00:06:11,810 --> 00:06:10,259 to Sydney airport in case you know you 156 00:06:13,909 --> 00:06:11,820 never know what you're going to find I 157 00:06:17,510 --> 00:06:13,919 found thousands of some Moen football 158 00:06:19,670 --> 00:06:17,520 fans and then I found Claire klingenberg 159 00:06:21,830 --> 00:06:19,680 hello Claire hi Richard thank you for 160 00:06:23,270 --> 00:06:21,840 picking me up that was so nice well you 161 00:06:24,650 --> 00:06:23,280 know I turned up at the airport I saw 162 00:06:26,510 --> 00:06:24,660 these thousands of people and I thought 163 00:06:28,370 --> 00:06:26,520 they must be here for Clear well of 164 00:06:30,710 --> 00:06:28,380 course like because I actually did tell 165 00:06:32,629 --> 00:06:30,720 Annika that I won a welcome Parade When 166 00:06:34,790 --> 00:06:32,639 I arrived here and she said that she 167 00:06:36,830 --> 00:06:34,800 will arrange something so you know she 168 00:06:39,830 --> 00:06:36,840 came through she came through and there 169 00:06:42,710 --> 00:06:39,840 I was it's wonderful to see you I 170 00:06:45,830 --> 00:06:42,720 haven't seen you and it's the only time 171 00:06:48,050 --> 00:06:45,840 we've met yes New York at Nexus wasn't 172 00:06:50,870 --> 00:06:48,060 it yeah yeah on the way here we were 173 00:06:58,510 --> 00:06:50,880 trying to remember if it was 2017 or 16 174 00:07:03,650 --> 00:07:01,969 now folks believe it or not believe it 175 00:07:05,689 --> 00:07:03,660 or not and it just struck me just before 176 00:07:07,249 --> 00:07:05,699 the interviewers we were setting up uh 177 00:07:08,749 --> 00:07:07,259 we're in the skeptic Zone headquarters 178 00:07:10,610 --> 00:07:08,759 this is it this is the heart of the 179 00:07:13,730 --> 00:07:10,620 skeptic Zone This Very Room this very 180 00:07:16,189 --> 00:07:13,740 studio and you're the first person I've 181 00:07:18,409 --> 00:07:16,199 ever interviewed in the studio this is 182 00:07:20,510 --> 00:07:18,419 bizarre this is an amazing honor thank 183 00:07:22,550 --> 00:07:20,520 you so much I am so happy to open up 184 00:07:24,070 --> 00:07:22,560 this new tradition of in-studio 185 00:07:26,450 --> 00:07:24,080 interviews 186 00:07:29,510 --> 00:07:26,460 look at this wonderful state-of-the-art 187 00:07:33,230 --> 00:07:29,520 Studio it's got everything yes yeah very 188 00:07:35,809 --> 00:07:33,240 much yeah I mean it's it's uh it has all 189 00:07:37,670 --> 00:07:35,819 the studio stuff that you need well it's 190 00:07:39,830 --> 00:07:37,680 got coffee yes it has coffee and which 191 00:07:41,390 --> 00:07:39,840 is better way amazing it's true that 192 00:07:43,010 --> 00:07:41,400 Sydney has amazing coffee it's got 193 00:07:44,809 --> 00:07:43,020 coffee and it's got microphones so that 194 00:07:46,550 --> 00:07:44,819 that's a good start and the skeptic Zone 195 00:07:47,990 --> 00:07:46,560 cats are hiding around the corner 196 00:07:49,909 --> 00:07:48,000 somewhere but you did see them when you 197 00:07:52,070 --> 00:07:49,919 came in briefly I saw two of the three 198 00:07:55,010 --> 00:07:52,080 there's only two there's only two okay 199 00:07:57,770 --> 00:07:55,020 okay then I saw two of the two too as 200 00:08:00,770 --> 00:07:57,780 they as they ran up ran up the steps yes 201 00:08:02,330 --> 00:08:00,780 but folks and this is true I was showing 202 00:08:03,830 --> 00:08:02,340 clear around the studio and then I said 203 00:08:05,990 --> 00:08:03,840 let's let's go down the steps and have 204 00:08:07,909 --> 00:08:06,000 some Vegemite toast so absolutely and we 205 00:08:09,890 --> 00:08:07,919 did you can find proof on a mature's 206 00:08:11,330 --> 00:08:09,900 Facebook that we did have a tomatoes 207 00:08:13,610 --> 00:08:11,340 together 208 00:08:16,490 --> 00:08:13,620 I'm pleased the first thing that you've 209 00:08:18,529 --> 00:08:16,500 eaten in Australia is Vegemite clear 210 00:08:20,150 --> 00:08:18,539 you'll uh come all the way over here 211 00:08:21,170 --> 00:08:20,160 from the Czech Republic you're here for 212 00:08:23,749 --> 00:08:21,180 the Australian Skeptics National 213 00:08:26,570 --> 00:08:23,759 Convention of course in um Canberra in 214 00:08:28,909 --> 00:08:26,580 uh a week yes it's close yes but this is 215 00:08:30,950 --> 00:08:28,919 your very first visit to Australia yeah 216 00:08:32,810 --> 00:08:30,960 wow yeah and so we're going to also be 217 00:08:36,469 --> 00:08:32,820 in the Gold Coast we're going to be in 218 00:08:38,930 --> 00:08:36,479 Melbourne and you'll also see us in cam 219 00:08:41,510 --> 00:08:38,940 well in Cambria and here in Sydney so 220 00:08:42,949 --> 00:08:41,520 we're trying to be in as many places as 221 00:08:45,829 --> 00:08:42,959 we can manage within this time frame 222 00:08:48,110 --> 00:08:45,839 it's a busy time yes very busy time and 223 00:08:49,970 --> 00:08:48,120 folks Claire will also be the guest of 224 00:08:52,610 --> 00:08:49,980 Dr Carl kurzoniski in a couple of days 225 00:08:55,490 --> 00:08:52,620 yeah yeah two days from now yeah in two 226 00:08:57,290 --> 00:08:55,500 days we're going to the ABC to record a 227 00:09:01,070 --> 00:08:57,300 segment for Dr Carl that's very exciting 228 00:09:02,329 --> 00:09:01,080 and then that uh and this will be all 229 00:09:03,829 --> 00:09:02,339 the past for the listeners of course 230 00:09:05,750 --> 00:09:03,839 because this show goes out after this is 231 00:09:07,430 --> 00:09:05,760 all happening but as the listeners know 232 00:09:09,410 --> 00:09:07,440 who were there at Skeptics in the pub it 233 00:09:10,790 --> 00:09:09,420 was a big night yes but it hasn't 234 00:09:12,470 --> 00:09:10,800 happened yet it hasn't happened yet but 235 00:09:14,810 --> 00:09:12,480 I can tell you it's going to be awesome 236 00:09:16,970 --> 00:09:14,820 we're going to have a lot of fun we're 237 00:09:18,850 --> 00:09:16,980 uh we're going to and we're going to 238 00:09:21,110 --> 00:09:18,860 meet each other 239 00:09:22,910 --> 00:09:21,120 and it's just going to be an all-around 240 00:09:24,650 --> 00:09:22,920 interesting event well I know you had a 241 00:09:26,750 --> 00:09:24,660 good time I mean you're projecting from 242 00:09:28,070 --> 00:09:26,760 the future yes but like what else are 243 00:09:30,230 --> 00:09:28,080 you supposed to do as a skeptic I mean 244 00:09:32,870 --> 00:09:30,240 we have to like someone has to do the 245 00:09:35,570 --> 00:09:32,880 psychics job right that's right very 246 00:09:37,910 --> 00:09:35,580 very good now you are oh there's another 247 00:09:39,290 --> 00:09:37,920 plan how about that normally I don't 248 00:09:43,070 --> 00:09:39,300 record it this time of the day you can 249 00:09:44,930 --> 00:09:43,080 tell why but it doesn't matter now uh so 250 00:09:48,170 --> 00:09:44,940 yes you're from the Czech Republic we 251 00:09:50,269 --> 00:09:48,180 haven't met before and you are very 252 00:09:52,550 --> 00:09:50,279 involved in the skeptical movement how 253 00:09:54,829 --> 00:09:52,560 did that all start for you 254 00:09:56,870 --> 00:09:54,839 Okay so 255 00:09:59,090 --> 00:09:56,880 it's 256 00:10:02,030 --> 00:09:59,100 like I get like more involved in the 257 00:10:04,790 --> 00:10:02,040 skeptic woman in 2015 I was sort of 258 00:10:06,650 --> 00:10:04,800 involved since 2013. 259 00:10:11,389 --> 00:10:06,660 um so I know compared to a lot of you 260 00:10:16,370 --> 00:10:14,389 um so I started with the chick 261 00:10:18,530 --> 00:10:16,380 paranormal challenge being involved 262 00:10:22,310 --> 00:10:18,540 there as kind of a screening of the 263 00:10:25,370 --> 00:10:22,320 participants and then in 2015 264 00:10:26,870 --> 00:10:25,380 um the Czech Skeptics Club was given uh 265 00:10:30,590 --> 00:10:26,880 the honor to organize the European 266 00:10:32,210 --> 00:10:30,600 Skeptics Congress and because I was one 267 00:10:34,730 --> 00:10:32,220 of the few people who had some 268 00:10:36,769 --> 00:10:34,740 experience with organizing large skills 269 00:10:39,350 --> 00:10:36,779 events I was asked if I could you know 270 00:10:41,269 --> 00:10:39,360 step in and help and because of that 271 00:10:42,769 --> 00:10:41,279 that kind of forced me more into the 272 00:10:45,949 --> 00:10:42,779 skeptic world to actually learn more 273 00:10:48,170 --> 00:10:45,959 about Skeptics as a whole as a movement 274 00:10:49,910 --> 00:10:48,180 and understand what it is exactly they 275 00:10:52,790 --> 00:10:49,920 do because before I was more kind of on 276 00:10:55,730 --> 00:10:52,800 the periphery and I realized that I 277 00:10:59,569 --> 00:10:55,740 found my home and I found my people and 278 00:11:01,730 --> 00:10:59,579 it was a really an amazing feeling of 279 00:11:05,389 --> 00:11:01,740 discovering people that kind of think 280 00:11:06,410 --> 00:11:05,399 like you or and where you don't have to 281 00:11:08,329 --> 00:11:06,420 like 282 00:11:10,310 --> 00:11:08,339 put a disclaimer before everything you 283 00:11:12,590 --> 00:11:10,320 say and it just you can just have a nice 284 00:11:14,810 --> 00:11:12,600 open conversations with everyone so yeah 285 00:11:19,870 --> 00:11:14,820 I mean I'm very help happy that I joined 286 00:11:23,750 --> 00:11:22,009 they don't tell people that until after 287 00:11:26,389 --> 00:11:23,760 they join you yeah yeah exactly exactly 288 00:11:30,490 --> 00:11:26,399 but so that and I kind of progressed 289 00:11:33,290 --> 00:11:30,500 through uh through on doing this and um 290 00:11:34,550 --> 00:11:33,300 who was used to be the president of the 291 00:11:36,889 --> 00:11:34,560 European Council of scripture 292 00:11:39,829 --> 00:11:36,899 organizations was stepping down he and 293 00:11:41,990 --> 00:11:39,839 amadio asked me if I was would will 294 00:11:43,850 --> 00:11:42,000 would you know try to step in and 295 00:11:45,769 --> 00:11:43,860 bringing some new blood and some new 296 00:11:48,650 --> 00:11:45,779 fresh ideas 297 00:11:51,590 --> 00:11:48,660 um I was very excited too I had no idea 298 00:11:53,509 --> 00:11:51,600 how much work we was going to be 299 00:11:56,449 --> 00:11:53,519 um but I'm still very excited to be in 300 00:11:57,889 --> 00:11:56,459 this position and to try to slowly but 301 00:12:00,110 --> 00:11:57,899 surely 302 00:12:04,009 --> 00:12:00,120 um keep working at making you know 303 00:12:05,569 --> 00:12:04,019 Europe uh more skeptical yeah and you 304 00:12:07,190 --> 00:12:05,579 know one of the things that never 305 00:12:09,350 --> 00:12:07,200 crossed my mind when I started doing 306 00:12:11,329 --> 00:12:09,360 this is every now and then you find 307 00:12:12,949 --> 00:12:11,339 yourself on the other other part of the 308 00:12:15,829 --> 00:12:12,959 world other side of the world to do 309 00:12:18,650 --> 00:12:15,839 skeptical Outreach yeah yeah yeah and 310 00:12:21,590 --> 00:12:18,660 like that that part of like knowing that 311 00:12:23,509 --> 00:12:21,600 you have Skeptics all over the world is 312 00:12:25,730 --> 00:12:23,519 is just amazing like when you travel you 313 00:12:27,410 --> 00:12:25,740 can even if you're traveling for other 314 00:12:29,389 --> 00:12:27,420 unrelated reasons so you can still 315 00:12:31,550 --> 00:12:29,399 contact your the local group or try to 316 00:12:33,590 --> 00:12:31,560 figure out if there is a local group and 317 00:12:35,630 --> 00:12:33,600 at least go for a coffee with someone or 318 00:12:37,430 --> 00:12:35,640 for a beer whatever you prefer and and 319 00:12:39,530 --> 00:12:37,440 that's just nice to like have a 320 00:12:41,569 --> 00:12:39,540 touchstone everywhere you go and the 321 00:12:43,269 --> 00:12:41,579 conventions folks I can't tell you how 322 00:12:45,410 --> 00:12:43,279 important the conventions are because 323 00:12:47,389 --> 00:12:45,420 there's the criticism are you just 324 00:12:49,310 --> 00:12:47,399 preaching converted but my my comeback 325 00:12:51,829 --> 00:12:49,320 to that as well okay every now and then 326 00:12:53,870 --> 00:12:51,839 for a weekend or two every year so what 327 00:12:55,730 --> 00:12:53,880 we deserve it we deserve it and we 328 00:12:58,550 --> 00:12:55,740 deserve to to be with our own people 329 00:13:00,230 --> 00:12:58,560 yeah and and as you say we don't have to 330 00:13:01,790 --> 00:13:00,240 spend half an hour explaining us what's 331 00:13:03,590 --> 00:13:01,800 a skeptic oh you don't believe oh no 332 00:13:05,810 --> 00:13:03,600 here we go again and not just that but 333 00:13:08,870 --> 00:13:05,820 also especially now I mean being a 334 00:13:10,550 --> 00:13:08,880 skeptic you uh or in publicly uh being 335 00:13:12,650 --> 00:13:10,560 an active skeptic or a skeptic activist 336 00:13:14,750 --> 00:13:12,660 whatever you prefer to call it means 337 00:13:17,750 --> 00:13:14,760 that you will get a lot of hate mail you 338 00:13:20,050 --> 00:13:17,760 will get uh threats of bodily harm 339 00:13:23,269 --> 00:13:20,060 um or worse and 340 00:13:26,509 --> 00:13:23,279 just to have the ability to kind of go 341 00:13:28,190 --> 00:13:26,519 into a safe space and to go among people 342 00:13:30,410 --> 00:13:28,200 where you feel absolutely comfortable 343 00:13:33,110 --> 00:13:30,420 and absolutely happy I think we deserve 344 00:13:36,769 --> 00:13:33,120 that because we do go through a lot of 345 00:13:39,470 --> 00:13:36,779 crap when we work so this it's it's a 346 00:13:40,730 --> 00:13:39,480 nice relief it it's true I mean I think 347 00:13:42,230 --> 00:13:40,740 it's good for our mental health again 348 00:13:43,730 --> 00:13:42,240 because we don't have to spend all this 349 00:13:45,410 --> 00:13:43,740 time trying to explain to somebody who 350 00:13:47,449 --> 00:13:45,420 can't understand or won't understand or 351 00:13:49,670 --> 00:13:47,459 is antagonistic and we do that enough 352 00:13:51,230 --> 00:13:49,680 right we do that enough and and you know 353 00:13:54,889 --> 00:13:51,240 this is something we we need to do and 354 00:13:58,550 --> 00:13:54,899 it's good to do but to to to relax and 355 00:14:00,850 --> 00:13:58,560 and just enjoy life for a brief yeah now 356 00:14:03,110 --> 00:14:00,860 tell me about now I've seen this online 357 00:14:06,050 --> 00:14:03,120 you you're saying that you know you 358 00:14:07,190 --> 00:14:06,060 spread skepticism in in Europe and in 359 00:14:09,530 --> 00:14:07,200 the last couple of years you found 360 00:14:11,329 --> 00:14:09,540 yourself in Germany and uh to help 361 00:14:13,910 --> 00:14:11,339 conduct water dividing tests now water 362 00:14:16,190 --> 00:14:13,920 dividing water dowsing is close to my 363 00:14:18,110 --> 00:14:16,200 heart yes so I actually wasn't there to 364 00:14:20,810 --> 00:14:18,120 conduct it myself it was a German a 365 00:14:23,690 --> 00:14:20,820 group the German group who reconnects 366 00:14:25,190 --> 00:14:23,700 them but they were very kind to uh call 367 00:14:26,569 --> 00:14:25,200 in the Paranormal challenge team from 368 00:14:27,829 --> 00:14:26,579 the Czech Republic for us to be able to 369 00:14:29,810 --> 00:14:27,839 observe how they conduct their 370 00:14:33,370 --> 00:14:29,820 experiment so that was very lovely to go 371 00:14:36,110 --> 00:14:33,380 to vote's book and to see uh Dr a wolf 372 00:14:38,509 --> 00:14:36,120 who conducts these experiments in Martin 373 00:14:41,090 --> 00:14:38,519 Manor who's there as well uh connecting 374 00:14:43,610 --> 00:14:41,100 these experiments and just kind of see 375 00:14:46,129 --> 00:14:43,620 um the methodology that they kind of use 376 00:14:48,530 --> 00:14:46,139 and if I remember correctly 377 00:14:50,410 --> 00:14:48,540 um they did 378 00:14:53,509 --> 00:14:50,420 um a bucket's test 379 00:14:55,910 --> 00:14:53,519 it was in a lecture whole it was yeah it 380 00:14:58,850 --> 00:14:55,920 was in a lecture hall it was a bucket 381 00:15:01,790 --> 00:14:58,860 test where uh the gentleman would go 382 00:15:04,250 --> 00:15:01,800 into the room and either the bucket was 383 00:15:07,910 --> 00:15:04,260 with water it was with water and plus 384 00:15:10,430 --> 00:15:07,920 what I really liked was that 385 00:15:12,350 --> 00:15:10,440 um they had interested students there as 386 00:15:14,509 --> 00:15:12,360 well so it would be 387 00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:14,519 the prep group would have some students 388 00:15:20,389 --> 00:15:18,240 then the group with uh with the 389 00:15:23,629 --> 00:15:20,399 gentleman would have some students in 390 00:15:25,069 --> 00:15:23,639 them uh as well so then and then we'd 391 00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:25,079 like took a break and this students 392 00:15:28,370 --> 00:15:26,880 switched over so they could see the both 393 00:15:31,310 --> 00:15:28,380 sides of the double-blinded experiment 394 00:15:33,230 --> 00:15:31,320 so that was really really lovely to 395 00:15:34,910 --> 00:15:33,240 integrate students like this and we 396 00:15:37,189 --> 00:15:34,920 actually went to do a similar thing now 397 00:15:38,870 --> 00:15:37,199 with the center for paranormal research 398 00:15:41,509 --> 00:15:38,880 that we're building on earth of Prague 399 00:15:43,550 --> 00:15:41,519 to make sure that we have students from 400 00:15:47,150 --> 00:15:43,560 psychology especially students from of 401 00:15:48,650 --> 00:15:47,160 medicine very much uh integrated within 402 00:15:50,810 --> 00:15:48,660 the process that we do because 403 00:15:52,129 --> 00:15:50,820 unfortunately the fact that you are a 404 00:15:53,710 --> 00:15:52,139 medical doctor doesn't always mean that 405 00:15:55,550 --> 00:15:53,720 you don't fall for 406 00:15:57,290 --> 00:15:55,560 pseudomedicine so this way we want to 407 00:15:59,750 --> 00:15:57,300 make sure that they kind of get 408 00:16:01,910 --> 00:15:59,760 inoculated very early that's very true 409 00:16:03,829 --> 00:16:01,920 and and I love doing those tests I mean 410 00:16:04,790 --> 00:16:03,839 we don't do them very often not as often 411 00:16:06,470 --> 00:16:04,800 as I thought 412 00:16:08,210 --> 00:16:06,480 Skeptics would do them when I first 413 00:16:09,889 --> 00:16:08,220 joined I thought you know oh they must 414 00:16:11,389 --> 00:16:09,899 go out all the time to test people that 415 00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:11,399 doesn't happen very often because it's 416 00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:13,199 really hard sometimes to to get people 417 00:16:17,810 --> 00:16:15,839 to come to be tested yeah it's it's you 418 00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:17,820 have so many people who come to be 419 00:16:21,350 --> 00:16:19,440 tested until they figure out that they 420 00:16:23,870 --> 00:16:21,360 have to be tested yes 421 00:16:25,610 --> 00:16:23,880 yes like to the point where I I I I'm 422 00:16:27,410 --> 00:16:25,620 maybe some of you probably heard me tell 423 00:16:29,930 --> 00:16:27,420 this story before but I I just can't 424 00:16:31,310 --> 00:16:29,940 believe that it happened we were meeting 425 00:16:32,870 --> 00:16:31,320 with this gentleman because we always do 426 00:16:34,730 --> 00:16:32,880 these interviews at the beginning before 427 00:16:37,189 --> 00:16:34,740 we conduct the experiments before we 428 00:16:38,810 --> 00:16:37,199 like we even planned them and he was 429 00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:38,820 telling us all the wonderful things he 430 00:16:42,889 --> 00:16:40,800 could do and when we explained okay so 431 00:16:44,930 --> 00:16:42,899 what what would be your idea of an 432 00:16:46,430 --> 00:16:44,940 experiment design he said well you know 433 00:16:48,829 --> 00:16:46,440 what let me call my wife and she'll 434 00:16:50,030 --> 00:16:48,839 explain she'll tell you that I do what I 435 00:16:51,530 --> 00:16:50,040 do and we don't have to do the 436 00:16:55,610 --> 00:16:51,540 experiment because she'll just vouch for 437 00:16:57,170 --> 00:16:55,620 me and I was and he was like he didn't 438 00:16:58,370 --> 00:16:57,180 have like even pause he like immediately 439 00:17:00,410 --> 00:16:58,380 started dialing his wife he was 440 00:17:02,210 --> 00:17:00,420 absolutely like serious and he just like 441 00:17:06,049 --> 00:17:02,220 shoved the phone at us and she was like 442 00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:06,059 yeah yeah he can do that okay like wow 443 00:17:10,189 --> 00:17:08,880 and to me honestly like I know that like 444 00:17:12,110 --> 00:17:10,199 if you live with someone for a long time 445 00:17:14,390 --> 00:17:12,120 whatever they can do does not maybe 446 00:17:16,549 --> 00:17:14,400 impress you as much but I if you could 447 00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:16,559 do what the guy said he could I think 448 00:17:19,549 --> 00:17:18,000 his wife would have been a little bit 449 00:17:23,030 --> 00:17:19,559 more impressed and would not have such a 450 00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:23,040 dismissive tone but you know maybe just 451 00:17:25,850 --> 00:17:24,240 that's just something they have to work 452 00:17:27,949 --> 00:17:25,860 out in couples counseling or something 453 00:17:30,110 --> 00:17:27,959 but nonetheless uh he did not then 454 00:17:32,870 --> 00:17:30,120 submit to an experiment but we you have 455 00:17:34,610 --> 00:17:32,880 all these people who claim that they had 456 00:17:36,890 --> 00:17:34,620 they need that they can do wonderful 457 00:17:39,669 --> 00:17:36,900 things but when they figure out oh I 458 00:17:42,289 --> 00:17:39,679 have to show you okay never mind then 459 00:17:44,510 --> 00:17:42,299 yeah this has been a situation too 460 00:17:47,029 --> 00:17:44,520 experience lots of people are writing to 461 00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:47,039 say I can do this this and this and then 462 00:17:50,330 --> 00:17:48,480 yeah they're somewhat surprised when 463 00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:50,340 well okay we need to set up a proper 464 00:17:54,350 --> 00:17:52,799 test and and of course you probably 465 00:17:56,029 --> 00:17:54,360 found the same thing when people do the 466 00:17:58,190 --> 00:17:56,039 test they will always find a reason to 467 00:18:00,230 --> 00:17:58,200 why the test was not good yeah or 468 00:18:02,510 --> 00:18:00,240 something like that so for Dad we we 469 00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:02,520 kind of stop at every stage of the test 470 00:18:06,289 --> 00:18:04,320 and have them sign paperwork that up to 471 00:18:09,049 --> 00:18:06,299 this point everything has gone according 472 00:18:11,330 --> 00:18:09,059 to plan exactly and of course at the end 473 00:18:13,310 --> 00:18:11,340 they still make comments but we have all 474 00:18:15,169 --> 00:18:13,320 the paperwork and all their signatures 475 00:18:17,750 --> 00:18:15,179 they make it very clear that from our 476 00:18:19,370 --> 00:18:17,760 end we really did the best we could we 477 00:18:20,990 --> 00:18:19,380 offered them the best conditions that we 478 00:18:23,750 --> 00:18:21,000 could they agreed with them they 479 00:18:25,510 --> 00:18:23,760 continued on giving consent till the end 480 00:18:28,490 --> 00:18:25,520 so we're good 481 00:18:31,130 --> 00:18:28,500 and it really and I I stress this point 482 00:18:33,289 --> 00:18:31,140 often is that when we Skeptics no matter 483 00:18:34,730 --> 00:18:33,299 where we are in the world we do set up a 484 00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:34,740 test for somebody's paranormal ability 485 00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:39,120 uh it's it's fair it's honest it's it 486 00:18:44,750 --> 00:18:42,240 gives them every chance we're not out to 487 00:18:48,289 --> 00:18:44,760 create a fake test or cheat them or Rob 488 00:18:51,230 --> 00:18:48,299 them or or belittle them it's you claim 489 00:18:54,650 --> 00:18:51,240 to do this great we really want you to 490 00:18:56,930 --> 00:18:54,660 yeah to do yeah and that actually goes 491 00:18:58,730 --> 00:18:56,940 back to like when you said that you were 492 00:19:01,909 --> 00:18:58,740 thinking that Skeptics go out all the 493 00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:01,919 time uh that's the reason why we don't 494 00:19:05,029 --> 00:19:03,600 go out all the time to test because all 495 00:19:07,130 --> 00:19:05,039 these tests take so much time and 496 00:19:09,470 --> 00:19:07,140 preparation so you can't really go out 497 00:19:12,289 --> 00:19:09,480 every week to do conduct them because 498 00:19:14,570 --> 00:19:12,299 you have everyone has a specific ability 499 00:19:15,890 --> 00:19:14,580 everyone has specific conditions that 500 00:19:17,630 --> 00:19:15,900 they need 501 00:19:20,330 --> 00:19:17,640 um not not every skeptic organization 502 00:19:21,950 --> 00:19:20,340 has a a venue where they can do the 503 00:19:24,289 --> 00:19:21,960 tests whenever they want they it's 504 00:19:26,270 --> 00:19:24,299 because after all we are all or most of 505 00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:26,280 us are volunteers so we always have to 506 00:19:33,350 --> 00:19:27,840 figure out a venue that you know is 507 00:19:35,750 --> 00:19:33,360 within the budget of zero and so so I 508 00:19:37,789 --> 00:19:35,760 mean that's like I am I know I've like 509 00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:37,799 been mentioning but I'm so happy that we 510 00:19:42,049 --> 00:19:40,080 are now that we got this the space that 511 00:19:44,450 --> 00:19:42,059 we got from our government to conduct 512 00:19:47,930 --> 00:19:44,460 these tests because before we also had 513 00:19:51,049 --> 00:19:47,940 to like find underground spaces and and 514 00:19:53,630 --> 00:19:51,059 um or use like some uh 515 00:19:55,789 --> 00:19:53,640 even we we did a couple of tests in this 516 00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:55,799 like hotel that has this second world 517 00:20:00,770 --> 00:19:59,280 war uh bunker so now we're really happy 518 00:20:02,810 --> 00:20:00,780 that we have our own space that we're 519 00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,820 working on and we of course invite 520 00:20:06,169 --> 00:20:04,320 everyone from Europe or even everyone 521 00:20:08,210 --> 00:20:06,179 from the world if you want to come and 522 00:20:09,409 --> 00:20:08,220 do your test there we will be very happy 523 00:20:11,510 --> 00:20:09,419 to host you 524 00:20:14,990 --> 00:20:11,520 can't wait to visit yeah yes I'll come 525 00:20:16,970 --> 00:20:15,000 and do a test I can I can uh predict the 526 00:20:19,070 --> 00:20:16,980 future with Vegemite toast or something 527 00:20:20,930 --> 00:20:19,080 like that yes well I mean that would be 528 00:20:22,610 --> 00:20:20,940 an awesome ability even just like the 529 00:20:24,350 --> 00:20:22,620 experiment part right because there's 530 00:20:25,610 --> 00:20:24,360 some that's another thing like a lot of 531 00:20:27,890 --> 00:20:25,620 people think when you say oh I do 532 00:20:30,409 --> 00:20:27,900 paranormal experience they think oh that 533 00:20:32,450 --> 00:20:30,419 is so exciting not really not really 534 00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:32,460 because like a lot of it is just like 535 00:20:37,130 --> 00:20:36,000 sitting for hours and just recording 536 00:20:40,850 --> 00:20:37,140 okay a 537 00:20:43,130 --> 00:20:40,860 or B yeah or yes or no and it just yeah 538 00:20:44,390 --> 00:20:43,140 it is not as much fun as you would think 539 00:20:47,450 --> 00:20:44,400 it would be 540 00:20:49,970 --> 00:20:47,460 but nevertheless it's quite important so 541 00:20:51,650 --> 00:20:49,980 Claire it's it's um I can't tell you how 542 00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:51,660 happy I am to see you after all these 543 00:20:54,770 --> 00:20:53,520 years because we do communicate on 544 00:20:57,230 --> 00:20:54,780 online of course but there's nothing 545 00:20:59,090 --> 00:20:57,240 like in person in person exactly and 546 00:21:02,390 --> 00:20:59,100 here you are in the skeptic Zone Studios 547 00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:02,400 and just before you go honestly with all 548 00:21:05,450 --> 00:21:04,080 your skepticism and your honesty and 549 00:21:07,549 --> 00:21:05,460 your integrity what did you think of 550 00:21:09,409 --> 00:21:07,559 Vegemite does no I actually really liked 551 00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:09,419 it honestly I did 552 00:21:12,830 --> 00:21:11,280 um I don't think I could have do a 553 00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:12,840 bigger layer but that just generally I 554 00:21:17,570 --> 00:21:14,640 don't like big layers of stuff on toast 555 00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,580 but I think just the combination with 556 00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:19,200 the bread and The Buttery was really 557 00:21:23,330 --> 00:21:20,640 really good 558 00:21:38,450 --> 00:21:23,340 great to see you and thank you thank you 559 00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,850 hello this is Maynard did you know that 560 00:21:45,950 --> 00:21:42,480 you could listen to the skeptic Zone on 561 00:21:49,870 --> 00:21:45,960 YouTube yes I know sounds crazy but it's 562 00:21:55,370 --> 00:21:52,909 also you can hear 40 logical fallacies 563 00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:55,380 with Michelle bigasma and funny sketches 564 00:21:59,870 --> 00:21:56,880 with Richard Saunders and a host of 565 00:22:01,909 --> 00:21:59,880 other Skeptics foreign 566 00:22:11,980 --> 00:22:01,919 just click on the YouTube links on the 567 00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:16,570 [Music] 568 00:22:23,450 --> 00:22:19,200 scicon is over we just had the Sunday 569 00:22:25,970 --> 00:22:23,460 paper session and that was organized in 570 00:22:28,250 --> 00:22:25,980 part by Natalia posternak who a 571 00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:28,260 skeptical choir readers may know that I 572 00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:30,240 did a video interview of before the 573 00:22:34,070 --> 00:22:32,159 conference and she did not mention that 574 00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:34,080 she was going to be the recipient of an 575 00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,000 award so tell us about that well 576 00:22:42,289 --> 00:22:38,400 actually I didn't know at that time oh 577 00:22:45,529 --> 00:22:42,299 serious serious yeah I found out 578 00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:45,539 recently and actually Barry said that he 579 00:22:52,190 --> 00:22:46,400 was 580 00:22:54,529 --> 00:22:52,200 tell me or make a surprise out of it and 581 00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:54,539 I said I would never never forgive you 582 00:22:59,570 --> 00:22:57,120 if you made it a surprise because then I 583 00:23:02,210 --> 00:22:59,580 would never have the right makeup or 584 00:23:04,370 --> 00:23:02,220 clothes to come up on stage and get the 585 00:23:06,830 --> 00:23:04,380 awards so thank you for letting me know 586 00:23:09,409 --> 00:23:06,840 and then of course he he decided to let 587 00:23:11,390 --> 00:23:09,419 me know so that I could prepare a thank 588 00:23:13,010 --> 00:23:11,400 you speech and all that so a little 589 00:23:14,870 --> 00:23:13,020 presentation about yourself that's very 590 00:23:17,810 --> 00:23:14,880 nice and so this is an award that cycon 591 00:23:20,570 --> 00:23:17,820 gives out or CSI it gives out every year 592 00:23:21,950 --> 00:23:20,580 to a deserving individual who what's 593 00:23:24,830 --> 00:23:21,960 their write-up on it do you remember how 594 00:23:28,430 --> 00:23:24,840 it's stated like is is a significant 595 00:23:31,130 --> 00:23:28,440 contributor to critical thinking and and 596 00:23:34,850 --> 00:23:31,140 skepticism so congratulations like that 597 00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:34,860 that's right and also Natalia is Carlos 598 00:23:40,010 --> 00:23:37,020 orsi uh tell everyone who you are please 599 00:23:42,669 --> 00:23:40,020 oh well I'm Carlos arsi I am a Brazilian 600 00:23:45,710 --> 00:23:42,679 journalist I am the chief editor of 601 00:23:47,570 --> 00:23:45,720 Brazilian online magazine castan de 602 00:23:49,610 --> 00:23:47,580 sense which is something like the 603 00:23:52,370 --> 00:23:49,620 Brazilians Capital Inquirer more or less 604 00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,380 and I am Natalia's husband and I carry 605 00:23:57,049 --> 00:23:54,720 her luggage around 606 00:24:02,770 --> 00:23:57,059 and she makes jokes about me when she's 607 00:24:08,990 --> 00:24:05,390 that's very good 608 00:24:11,330 --> 00:24:09,000 so so I've met you guys before at pre in 609 00:24:13,070 --> 00:24:11,340 the olden days before the pandemic and 610 00:24:14,990 --> 00:24:13,080 now it's been some years so what do you 611 00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:15,000 think is the difference do you see any 612 00:24:19,850 --> 00:24:17,460 difference in either the subject matter 613 00:24:22,909 --> 00:24:19,860 or the presentations for the for the 614 00:24:24,350 --> 00:24:22,919 conference or attitude of attendees what 615 00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:24,360 do you think about that 616 00:24:31,130 --> 00:24:28,080 I was glad to see younger attendees this 617 00:24:33,470 --> 00:24:31,140 time and I think it's a good sign maybe 618 00:24:35,930 --> 00:24:33,480 we're finally reaching out to to a 619 00:24:38,390 --> 00:24:35,940 younger community of Skeptics and and we 620 00:24:41,690 --> 00:24:38,400 need to because we need to to train the 621 00:24:44,230 --> 00:24:41,700 next generation of Skeptics so uh I I 622 00:24:46,730 --> 00:24:44,240 was glad to see more young people around 623 00:24:48,169 --> 00:24:46,740 so this is interesting I just did an 624 00:24:49,490 --> 00:24:48,179 interview people who said they were 625 00:24:50,990 --> 00:24:49,500 surprised there weren't as many young 626 00:24:53,090 --> 00:24:51,000 people as last time so this is one of 627 00:24:54,409 --> 00:24:53,100 these perceptual things yep they saw 628 00:24:55,610 --> 00:24:54,419 something different than you did maybe 629 00:24:57,289 --> 00:24:55,620 they saw a different group of people 630 00:24:58,610 --> 00:24:57,299 probably will know what that's about 631 00:25:01,250 --> 00:24:58,620 that's interesting so what do you think 632 00:25:04,130 --> 00:25:01,260 so I don't know about the age question I 633 00:25:06,890 --> 00:25:04,140 I really think that I noticed more 634 00:25:09,770 --> 00:25:06,900 younger people than I had noticed before 635 00:25:11,390 --> 00:25:09,780 but maybe just perceptro what I thought 636 00:25:13,390 --> 00:25:11,400 really interesting is that the 637 00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:13,400 presentations most of the presentations 638 00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:16,260 pointed towards them optimistic Outlook 639 00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,440 about skepticism and critical thinking I 640 00:25:23,090 --> 00:25:21,600 mean Naomi rescue said oh can we save 641 00:25:25,549 --> 00:25:23,100 science and she conclude that science 642 00:25:29,870 --> 00:25:25,559 doesn't need save yes after all first 643 00:25:32,510 --> 00:25:29,880 things and even Joe sinski that was very 644 00:25:34,730 --> 00:25:32,520 he ended telling that we can't do 645 00:25:36,529 --> 00:25:34,740 something about about these problems I 646 00:25:39,230 --> 00:25:36,539 think that you know it can be perceptual 647 00:25:41,690 --> 00:25:39,240 because it was two years since the last 648 00:25:44,269 --> 00:25:41,700 convention and the memories got fuzzy 649 00:25:45,769 --> 00:25:44,279 but I felt that even if we were 650 00:25:48,169 --> 00:25:45,779 obviously three years actually three 651 00:25:51,769 --> 00:25:48,179 years we skipped too yeah yeah so it's a 652 00:25:53,330 --> 00:25:51,779 long time and that it seems less it was 653 00:25:56,210 --> 00:25:53,340 very reality based of course because 654 00:25:59,390 --> 00:25:56,220 this is the skeptical movement but the 655 00:26:02,149 --> 00:25:59,400 reality was tempered by some 656 00:26:03,649 --> 00:26:02,159 evidence-based optimism and and in days 657 00:26:08,450 --> 00:26:03,659 like these with 658 00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,460 all the stuff around us the vaccine the 659 00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,039 vaccine exit and see lots of science 660 00:26:16,250 --> 00:26:14,159 denial and crazy people in high places 661 00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:16,260 and all of that I think that's optimism 662 00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:19,020 is refreshing and that's not just in the 663 00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:19,919 U.S 664 00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:22,080 not at all well we're not that 665 00:26:26,510 --> 00:26:24,600 optimistic in Brazil right now but let's 666 00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,520 say we'll have a few more days 667 00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:28,799 before the election lots of hope so this 668 00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:31,679 was the first time that you got to have 669 00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,840 some input to the Sunday papers in 670 00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:35,279 Italian right so could you tell us like 671 00:26:40,430 --> 00:26:38,340 exactly what your role was yeah so Ray 672 00:26:44,090 --> 00:26:40,440 asked me if I could co-host the Sunday 673 00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,100 papers with him and he wanted to to make 674 00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:46,400 it more academic and more International 675 00:26:54,529 --> 00:26:50,159 and and I said yes of course and because 676 00:27:00,830 --> 00:26:58,190 and so we tried to make it more academic 677 00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:00,840 we wanted to bring more Scholars and 678 00:27:05,630 --> 00:27:03,720 professors and grad students to the 679 00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:05,640 Sunday papers so how did I get selected 680 00:27:10,610 --> 00:27:07,980 because you're amazing and we can say 681 00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,620 you know it's just such a good job that 682 00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,200 you're doing but no it it wasn't about 683 00:27:17,630 --> 00:27:15,840 being exclusive for academics but we 684 00:27:20,090 --> 00:27:17,640 wouldn't we wanted to attract more 685 00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:20,100 Scholars and more academics because we 686 00:27:23,930 --> 00:27:21,840 think it's important to get critical 687 00:27:27,289 --> 00:27:23,940 thinking out there in schools and 688 00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:27,299 colleges and universities so there's uh 689 00:27:32,990 --> 00:27:30,000 were people that were kind of out of out 690 00:27:34,850 --> 00:27:33,000 of the Raider at cycon and have said 691 00:27:36,830 --> 00:27:34,860 well let's try to get them into the 692 00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:36,840 Sunday papers and see if people are 693 00:27:40,430 --> 00:27:38,940 teaching about critical thinking so how 694 00:27:43,130 --> 00:27:40,440 did you reach out to these people to get 695 00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:43,140 them we actually changed the the 696 00:27:48,289 --> 00:27:45,480 announcement a bit of this and the of 697 00:27:50,330 --> 00:27:48,299 the call for papers so we we change the 698 00:27:52,909 --> 00:27:50,340 call for papers a bit to accommodate 699 00:27:56,029 --> 00:27:52,919 that we were willing to take more 700 00:27:57,649 --> 00:27:56,039 scholarly papers and papers of people 701 00:27:59,169 --> 00:27:57,659 who were trying to teach critical 702 00:28:01,730 --> 00:27:59,179 thinking 703 00:28:03,409 --> 00:28:01,740 vessel Outreach to particular people 704 00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,419 they just happened to see it and it was 705 00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:05,760 more welcoming so exactly well it was 706 00:28:09,230 --> 00:28:07,200 very nice and you're going to be 707 00:28:10,390 --> 00:28:09,240 involved in the next year it seemed from 708 00:28:13,549 --> 00:28:10,400 what I've read 709 00:28:16,490 --> 00:28:13,559 I'm going to continue and we'll and 710 00:28:18,769 --> 00:28:16,500 we're hoping to also include uh we don't 711 00:28:21,409 --> 00:28:18,779 know if a special session or into the 712 00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,419 Sunday papers but we started a group of 713 00:28:26,750 --> 00:28:23,520 professors who teach critical thinking 714 00:28:29,029 --> 00:28:26,760 and we try we want to build something 715 00:28:31,610 --> 00:28:29,039 over session so that they could they can 716 00:28:33,649 --> 00:28:31,620 show their results next year so let's 717 00:28:35,930 --> 00:28:33,659 see how that goes excellent all right 718 00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:35,940 well thank you both for all you do and 719 00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:37,320 it was great seeing you here again this 720 00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:40,080 year thank you 721 00:28:45,169 --> 00:28:43,440 I have run into someone whose voice may 722 00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:45,179 be familiar to skeptic Zone listeners 723 00:28:48,470 --> 00:28:46,860 because I don't remember if you were 724 00:28:50,210 --> 00:28:48,480 interviewed on the show but I remember 725 00:28:50,930 --> 00:28:50,220 at least hearing the promos for your 726 00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:50,940 podcast 727 00:28:55,850 --> 00:28:53,580 introduce yourself hey Rob thanks so 728 00:28:58,010 --> 00:28:55,860 much for having me on uh this is Abhijit 729 00:29:01,370 --> 00:28:58,020 from the rationable podcast and the 730 00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:01,380 rational YouTube channel etc etc etc so 731 00:29:05,630 --> 00:29:03,720 uh thanks so much for having me on I'm 732 00:29:07,490 --> 00:29:05,640 all the way from India right absolutely 733 00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:07,500 well how long is that flight to get here 734 00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:10,740 it's a it's about a 20 almost a 20 hour 735 00:29:15,049 --> 00:29:13,440 flight with a five hour layover in 736 00:29:16,970 --> 00:29:15,059 London 737 00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:16,980 um I won't complain anymore about my six 738 00:29:22,610 --> 00:29:20,240 hour flight to New Jersey you better not 739 00:29:25,549 --> 00:29:22,620 so now that the conference is over was 740 00:29:28,070 --> 00:29:25,559 it worth the trip oh absolutely every 741 00:29:29,330 --> 00:29:28,080 single minute was brilliant I just love 742 00:29:31,010 --> 00:29:29,340 being back here and meeting everyone 743 00:29:32,330 --> 00:29:31,020 again so what do you think of the 744 00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:32,340 differences by the way I've been asking 745 00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:34,320 that question for people who have been 746 00:29:38,029 --> 00:29:36,720 here pre-pandemic and now the one do you 747 00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:38,039 see any difference in the subject matter 748 00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,840 or like the type of people who've 749 00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:41,760 attended what do you think so I have 750 00:29:45,649 --> 00:29:43,440 noticed that there have been a lot of 751 00:29:49,549 --> 00:29:45,659 younger people who have joined us this 752 00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:49,559 time I'm I'm at an 18 year old I saw 753 00:29:53,529 --> 00:29:51,720 another a couple of like high school 754 00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:53,539 students are just getting into college 755 00:29:59,870 --> 00:29:56,480 younger faces definitely always welcome 756 00:30:02,690 --> 00:29:59,880 and I also invited my friend over who is 757 00:30:05,090 --> 00:30:02,700 a budding skeptic and she's uh she 758 00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:05,100 hasn't been to a psychon before but she 759 00:30:10,430 --> 00:30:07,020 also loved every minute from America 760 00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,440 yeah so she stays around New Jersey so 761 00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:12,240 um might have been on my flight could 762 00:30:16,490 --> 00:30:13,320 have been 763 00:30:18,889 --> 00:30:16,500 so uh she uh so she also loved it that's 764 00:30:21,409 --> 00:30:18,899 Liz she actually designed the logo for 765 00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:21,419 my uh for my website and everything for 766 00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:23,460 my for the for rationable so she's a 767 00:30:29,149 --> 00:30:26,640 designer so all you uh people out there 768 00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:29,159 being science communicators and Skeptics 769 00:30:34,549 --> 00:30:32,640 if you want a logo made look up Liz I'll 770 00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:34,559 uh or just let me know I'll put you in 771 00:30:37,850 --> 00:30:36,480 touch with her anyway so 772 00:30:39,769 --> 00:30:37,860 um you know there's a little bit more 773 00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:39,779 diversity that I have noticed as well 774 00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:42,240 which is always welcome and but of 775 00:30:47,810 --> 00:30:44,960 course the most important thing is 776 00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:47,820 at least in almost every presentation it 777 00:30:53,149 --> 00:30:50,700 seems to be the kovit does seem to be 778 00:30:55,789 --> 00:30:53,159 mentioned at least once it's hard to 779 00:30:58,730 --> 00:30:55,799 ignore that exactly but it's uh it's 780 00:31:01,690 --> 00:30:58,740 been totally lovely and I got to meal 781 00:31:05,710 --> 00:31:01,700 meet Neil deGrasse Tyson 782 00:31:08,810 --> 00:31:05,720 add a meal which is the VIP lunch 783 00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,820 out for that oh absolutely I mean I 784 00:31:13,389 --> 00:31:10,799 couldn't I couldn't miss that up on 785 00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:13,399 behalf of CFI we thank you 786 00:31:17,570 --> 00:31:16,080 because I've I've been a huge fan of his 787 00:31:20,330 --> 00:31:17,580 for a very long time he's a great 788 00:31:21,950 --> 00:31:20,340 inspiration and I've thanks to him I've 789 00:31:24,310 --> 00:31:21,960 been trying to figure out how to add 790 00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:24,320 more humor into my 791 00:31:29,029 --> 00:31:26,460 communication skills I even took a 792 00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,039 comedy Workshop over a weekend wow 793 00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,679 trying to make my podcast funnier I 794 00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:34,080 don't know if it's helped you're not 795 00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,240 saying Neil did that to be funny did he 796 00:31:39,649 --> 00:31:38,159 take comedy workshops oh he just gets 797 00:31:41,450 --> 00:31:39,659 comedians on the show that's what he 798 00:31:43,310 --> 00:31:41,460 does I don't I don't necessarily know 799 00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:43,320 any comedians I can get on my show but 800 00:31:48,830 --> 00:31:46,159 including Leanne Lord who has emceed 801 00:31:49,970 --> 00:31:48,840 exactly I heard that last time that I 802 00:31:52,850 --> 00:31:49,980 really would have loved to come last 803 00:31:56,570 --> 00:31:52,860 time but I had just gotten married that 804 00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:56,580 year and I was flush out of cash so 805 00:32:02,330 --> 00:32:00,000 couldn't be done yeah but I didn't know 806 00:32:03,470 --> 00:32:02,340 that covert was coming but uh if that 807 00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:03,480 was the case I would have probably 808 00:32:06,830 --> 00:32:05,039 thought wise 809 00:32:09,470 --> 00:32:06,840 and this time I did sit for the Sunday 810 00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:09,480 papers uh at least I managed to go 811 00:32:13,310 --> 00:32:11,820 through quite a few last time 812 00:32:15,289 --> 00:32:13,320 unfortunately just having conversations 813 00:32:16,750 --> 00:32:15,299 outside the hall I managed to miss quite 814 00:32:19,130 --> 00:32:16,760 a few of them 815 00:32:22,430 --> 00:32:19,140 do that so did you happen to catch mine 816 00:32:24,529 --> 00:32:22,440 yes absolutely I did in fact I think 817 00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:24,539 Richard had told me about this quite a 818 00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:25,980 while back but for some reason or the 819 00:32:31,370 --> 00:32:28,860 other I couldn't participate and now I 820 00:32:33,649 --> 00:32:31,380 am so thoroughly upset that I missed the 821 00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,659 whole thing great to have you on all 822 00:32:36,409 --> 00:32:35,039 those Zoom talk I'm not sure if the 823 00:32:38,750 --> 00:32:36,419 timing would have worked out for India 824 00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:38,760 though it's okay I'm a weird timing 825 00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:41,279 person anyway but I could have I I would 826 00:32:44,269 --> 00:32:43,140 have loved to bring in I've ever been in 827 00:32:45,649 --> 00:32:44,279 The Learning Experience for me too 828 00:32:48,889 --> 00:32:45,659 because I would love to bring in some 829 00:32:51,049 --> 00:32:48,899 Indian fortune tellers and psychics so 830 00:32:52,970 --> 00:32:51,059 here's your chance we we talked about 831 00:32:55,789 --> 00:32:52,980 this needs to be replicated in other 832 00:32:57,769 --> 00:32:55,799 places absolutely right India is a huge 833 00:32:59,570 --> 00:32:57,779 population there must be a huge number 834 00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:59,580 of Sears or whatever it's called 835 00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,679 absolutely I'm quite sure that would be 836 00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:03,120 really interesting for someone to put 837 00:33:07,310 --> 00:33:04,980 all the time in like Richard Saunders to 838 00:33:09,230 --> 00:33:07,320 in Australia to do in India I'm not 839 00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:09,240 saying you have to do it but maybe it 840 00:33:14,690 --> 00:33:11,460 gives me yeah keep that percolating yes 841 00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,700 absolutely I will poke a little way okay 842 00:33:19,250 --> 00:33:16,559 all right great meeting you this year 843 00:33:21,409 --> 00:33:19,260 and in person for the first time and I'm 844 00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:21,419 uh I'm hoping to see you again in a 845 00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:23,039 future second the pleasure was all mine 846 00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:24,720 thanks so much Rob 847 00:33:28,850 --> 00:33:27,360 scicon is over and I have one more 848 00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:28,860 person I want to do an interview with 849 00:33:34,610 --> 00:33:32,220 this is Thomas Westbrook who I met 850 00:33:36,289 --> 00:33:34,620 previously at scicon in the days before 851 00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:36,299 the pandemic and I was glad to see him 852 00:33:40,250 --> 00:33:38,159 here again introduce yourself to the 853 00:33:42,289 --> 00:33:40,260 skeptic Zone listeners in case they 854 00:33:46,009 --> 00:33:42,299 don't know who you are 855 00:33:47,930 --> 00:33:46,019 I am a YouTuber I am a full-time content 856 00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:47,940 creator creating videos 857 00:33:52,370 --> 00:33:50,640 debunking all kinds of pseudoscience and 858 00:33:54,169 --> 00:33:52,380 paranormal stuff but I don't go in it 859 00:33:56,509 --> 00:33:54,179 too debunk it I go into explore and 860 00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:56,519 learn and figure out how stuff works and 861 00:34:01,130 --> 00:33:59,279 if people are being taken advantage of 862 00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:01,140 or given a run for their money with all 863 00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,120 kinds of snake oil and what have you 864 00:34:06,529 --> 00:34:05,279 then I try to shine a light on it and 865 00:34:09,169 --> 00:34:06,539 what's your channel name it's called 866 00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:09,179 holy Kool-Aid and you have kind of a 867 00:34:14,329 --> 00:34:11,580 stool roll you you talk about religious 868 00:34:16,669 --> 00:34:14,339 issues and I like those videos too but 869 00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,679 the ones I really love because it's my 870 00:34:21,710 --> 00:34:18,960 topic of choice is helping people 871 00:34:25,550 --> 00:34:21,720 understand the con artists that psychic 872 00:34:27,950 --> 00:34:25,560 and medium SAR right yes I a while back 873 00:34:31,849 --> 00:34:27,960 I remember stumbling across some videos 874 00:34:34,849 --> 00:34:31,859 that James Randy had put out and seeing 875 00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:34,859 the way that he tested and and actually 876 00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,320 took these claims and tested if there 877 00:34:40,430 --> 00:34:38,879 was anything to them and set these 878 00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:40,440 controls in place to figure out like is 879 00:34:43,609 --> 00:34:41,760 it actually real or is that there's 880 00:34:46,190 --> 00:34:43,619 something else that's going on 881 00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,200 and that that fascinated me because it 882 00:34:50,089 --> 00:34:48,480 at the time I thought maybe there was 883 00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:50,099 some type of paranormal power or 884 00:34:54,409 --> 00:34:52,440 something that they're tapping into and 885 00:34:57,530 --> 00:34:54,419 one by one these people were coming up 886 00:35:00,770 --> 00:34:57,540 short and so I wanted to know okay if 887 00:35:02,690 --> 00:35:00,780 they are fooling so many people how are 888 00:35:05,690 --> 00:35:02,700 they doing it right just how are they 889 00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,700 doing this and I stumbled across a 890 00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:06,960 number of different techniques that they 891 00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:08,700 were using but I also there were things 892 00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:11,820 that people weren't talking about very 893 00:35:18,410 --> 00:35:14,880 much like certain patterns that 894 00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:18,420 I figured just by watching a ton of 895 00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:19,680 their videos back to back you know you 896 00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:21,359 see one and it kind of looks impressive 897 00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:23,339 and then you watch another one and 898 00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:25,140 another one and it looks like it's the 899 00:35:29,329 --> 00:35:26,820 reading the same script right different 900 00:35:31,970 --> 00:35:29,339 people and different times different 901 00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:31,980 audiences and yet it's the same script 902 00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:33,660 they're following and you also see what 903 00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:35,160 they do and how they react when they get 904 00:35:38,690 --> 00:35:37,260 a hit and when they get a mess and how 905 00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:38,700 they gloss over the things really quick 906 00:35:42,109 --> 00:35:40,079 and you don't even catch it the first 907 00:35:43,609 --> 00:35:42,119 time but then you go back and watch them 908 00:35:46,250 --> 00:35:43,619 again and again and you start seeing 909 00:35:47,569 --> 00:35:46,260 that oh hey in this case they gotta hit 910 00:35:48,829 --> 00:35:47,579 right away and it looked incredible but 911 00:35:50,930 --> 00:35:48,839 then this next time they pulled the 912 00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:50,940 exact same trick and the person's like 913 00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:53,400 uh and they immediately jump to the next 914 00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,900 question or they twist it a little bit 915 00:35:58,370 --> 00:35:56,640 and the amazing thing about this to me 916 00:36:00,650 --> 00:35:58,380 Thomas is most of these things you're 917 00:36:02,990 --> 00:36:00,660 watching on television and they have and 918 00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:03,000 they're edited right they show they only 919 00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:05,220 show you the best of what happened you 920 00:36:10,130 --> 00:36:08,160 don't even see the awful fails and 921 00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,140 that's why that's why when I when I'm 922 00:36:13,970 --> 00:36:12,480 creating videos that are that the First 923 00:36:16,370 --> 00:36:13,980 videos the first three videos in my 924 00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:16,380 series exposing so I kicks are a 925 00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:19,200 compilation of cringe fails and almost 926 00:36:24,770 --> 00:36:21,480 without fail when I go to find those 927 00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:24,780 types of videos I do not go to the 928 00:36:28,609 --> 00:36:26,160 videos that are put out by the psychics 929 00:36:30,170 --> 00:36:28,619 themselves I'm not going to the the 930 00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:30,180 videos that are produced by them and 931 00:36:32,750 --> 00:36:31,500 edited by them to make it look 932 00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,760 incredible because I know that they're 933 00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:34,079 they're going to trim out that stuff 934 00:36:39,650 --> 00:36:37,500 right right but if I go to a a live 935 00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:39,660 recording or something where you know 936 00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:42,540 some news anchor is talking to them or 937 00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,700 they're going on a show and making a 938 00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,800 prediction or they're doing a cold 939 00:36:50,810 --> 00:36:48,480 reading to an audience and it's just the 940 00:36:52,430 --> 00:36:50,820 whole thing unedited live then I know 941 00:36:54,050 --> 00:36:52,440 that there might be something there or 942 00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:54,060 if they're making prophetic predictions 943 00:36:59,569 --> 00:36:56,640 psychic predictions about the future and 944 00:37:00,589 --> 00:36:59,579 the moment there they think oh yeah I'm 945 00:37:02,210 --> 00:37:00,599 just going to make this prediction and 946 00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:02,220 then they might go back and mine that 947 00:37:05,990 --> 00:37:04,560 prediction for all of the hits and then 948 00:37:07,730 --> 00:37:06,000 put all those hits on their website 949 00:37:10,130 --> 00:37:07,740 absolutely I go back and I watch those 950 00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:10,140 two three four five years later and I go 951 00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:11,220 through and I look at all the things 952 00:37:14,450 --> 00:37:13,200 that they got wrong because no one else 953 00:37:16,970 --> 00:37:14,460 is looking at those no one else is going 954 00:37:19,130 --> 00:37:16,980 back and sifting through it and and 955 00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:19,140 showcasing it and so when I put all of 956 00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,400 that together then I show people hey 957 00:37:24,589 --> 00:37:22,560 these these people if they really had 958 00:37:27,890 --> 00:37:24,599 psychic abilities you'd think that they 959 00:37:29,390 --> 00:37:27,900 would be you know preventing 911 right 960 00:37:31,069 --> 00:37:29,400 rather than just after the fact saying 961 00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:31,079 well I said that there'd be a you know 962 00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,760 some type of attack in New York or 963 00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:34,320 something you know before and of course 964 00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:36,119 that would cause a Time Paradox right if 965 00:37:38,569 --> 00:37:37,260 the information was coming from the 966 00:37:40,430 --> 00:37:38,579 future to them that there had been an 967 00:37:43,569 --> 00:37:40,440 attack and they they prevented and where 968 00:37:46,250 --> 00:37:43,579 did that information come from 969 00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:46,260 the psychic realm seeing all possible 970 00:37:50,450 --> 00:37:49,200 paths the akashic record so that is 971 00:37:52,490 --> 00:37:50,460 correct so maybe every prediction 972 00:37:54,410 --> 00:37:52,500 psychic Clairvoyant people always make 973 00:37:55,790 --> 00:37:54,420 is correct but it's about an alternate 974 00:37:58,870 --> 00:37:55,800 reality something from the Multiverse 975 00:38:03,849 --> 00:38:01,730 I'd say that that's where you start 976 00:38:06,349 --> 00:38:03,859 getting into the realm of 977 00:38:09,290 --> 00:38:06,359 unfalcifiability right and it's like 978 00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:09,300 okay what is the use of this if your 979 00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:13,200 success rate is is no better than 11 as 980 00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:14,700 I presented from the Australian 981 00:38:19,370 --> 00:38:16,740 prediction project and it's it's nuts 982 00:38:21,170 --> 00:38:19,380 it's you know you look at these claims 983 00:38:22,849 --> 00:38:21,180 and you look at their failure rate and 984 00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:22,859 it's like if people 985 00:38:27,470 --> 00:38:25,440 didn't want to believe you know some 986 00:38:28,849 --> 00:38:27,480 people are desperate to believe or 987 00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:28,859 they're looking for something and 988 00:38:32,329 --> 00:38:30,900 there's confirmation bias at play but 989 00:38:34,849 --> 00:38:32,339 you strip that away and you just 990 00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,859 objectively look at it and it all falls 991 00:38:39,109 --> 00:38:36,720 apart and that's what I aim to highlight 992 00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:39,119 I am to showcase the tricks and 993 00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:40,680 hopefully 994 00:38:44,510 --> 00:38:43,200 safe Safeguard people against a lot of 995 00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:44,520 these con artists that are doing a lot 996 00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:46,320 of harm and you do a damn good job of it 997 00:38:50,329 --> 00:38:48,420 I have to highly recommend your channel 998 00:38:53,270 --> 00:38:50,339 um so let me ask you about your 999 00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:53,280 impression of this conference your most 1000 00:39:00,650 --> 00:38:56,400 memorable talks that you attended 1001 00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,660 um I I really enjoyed Neil's talk and 1002 00:39:03,170 --> 00:39:02,400 getting to meet Neil deGrasse Tyson for 1003 00:39:07,609 --> 00:39:03,180 sure 1004 00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:07,619 I also I I piff the Magic Dragon is 1005 00:39:11,329 --> 00:39:08,720 always fun 1006 00:39:14,210 --> 00:39:11,339 although I'm not sure if he's more 1007 00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,220 comedy or more magic show but it's an 1008 00:39:20,329 --> 00:39:16,320 interesting unique mix yeah my favorite 1009 00:39:22,910 --> 00:39:20,339 thing about these conferences is coming 1010 00:39:24,349 --> 00:39:22,920 out and meeting all the people and I've 1011 00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:24,359 heard that from a lot of people saying 1012 00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,760 that just to mingle and and network with 1013 00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:29,040 like-minded individuals to realize that 1014 00:39:32,089 --> 00:39:30,839 I'm not alone I'm not going crazy that 1015 00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,099 there's other people out there who are 1016 00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:34,320 also frustrated by all of the the woo 1017 00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:36,660 and the the all like alt medicine and 1018 00:39:40,910 --> 00:39:38,640 the fake news and the snake oil and the 1019 00:39:42,170 --> 00:39:40,920 Paranormal claims and it's it's nice to 1020 00:39:43,849 --> 00:39:42,180 know that there's other people who are 1021 00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:43,859 pushing back against it and trying to 1022 00:39:49,010 --> 00:39:46,680 fight for truth yeah and it's more 1023 00:39:51,109 --> 00:39:49,020 necessary than ever since the events of 1024 00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:51,119 the last couple of years yeah well and 1025 00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:53,040 and you know what you're doing here what 1026 00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:54,480 you're doing with with skeptical 1027 00:39:58,609 --> 00:39:57,000 Inquirer is like incredibly important 1028 00:40:01,250 --> 00:39:58,619 and you guys are doing incredible work 1029 00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:01,260 thank you and thanks for your time and 1030 00:40:04,010 --> 00:40:02,400 I'm so glad to have met up with you 1031 00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:04,020 again this year thank you see you again 1032 00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,640 in the future 1033 00:40:09,950 --> 00:40:07,440 [Music] 1034 00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:09,960 well that was the final part of my 1035 00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:13,020 series from scicon 2022 I hope you 1036 00:40:17,450 --> 00:40:14,820 enjoyed listening to the interviews as 1037 00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:17,460 much as I enjoyed doing them by the way 1038 00:40:21,530 --> 00:40:19,800 prior to the conference I did video 1039 00:40:24,589 --> 00:40:21,540 interviews with 12 of the speakers 1040 00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,599 including Neil deGrasse Tyson and Penn 1041 00:40:29,690 --> 00:40:26,880 Gillette all of those are available in 1042 00:40:31,849 --> 00:40:29,700 my skeptical Inquirer online column and 1043 00:40:33,710 --> 00:40:31,859 now that scicon is over I'll also be 1044 00:40:35,329 --> 00:40:33,720 publishing several follow-up articles 1045 00:40:37,670 --> 00:40:35,339 about the conference 1046 00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:37,680 you're interested in those or any of my 1047 00:40:42,109 --> 00:40:39,780 other work look for the link to my 1048 00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:42,119 column in the show notes until next time 1049 00:41:06,820 --> 00:40:44,710 this is Rob Palmer 1050 00:41:06,830 --> 00:41:11,210 [Music] 1051 00:41:16,010 --> 00:41:13,370 you know it's time once again to look to 1052 00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:16,020 the sky is look to the skies in hopes 1053 00:41:22,370 --> 00:41:20,040 who knows in hopes of spotting a flying 1054 00:41:24,370 --> 00:41:22,380 saucer well we don't hear that term 1055 00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:24,380 anymore a UFO 1056 00:41:30,770 --> 00:41:27,960 also a bit out of data UAP something in 1057 00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:30,780 the sky but in fact we'll gaze to the 1058 00:41:35,950 --> 00:41:33,599 heavens by gazing into the digital 1059 00:41:39,410 --> 00:41:35,960 archives at Trove at 1060 00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:39,420 trove.nla.gov dot a u and discover what 1061 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:42,960 uh newspaper reports have been made over 1062 00:41:47,770 --> 00:41:44,370 the decades 1063 00:41:52,750 --> 00:41:50,089 now we've looked in the archives many 1064 00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:52,760 times for references to UFOs but 1065 00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:56,160 bluntly there are many references there 1066 00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:57,900 are many references I mean we're going 1067 00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:01,440 back many many decades so you can 1068 00:42:08,569 --> 00:42:05,040 imagine during both the UFO flaps over 1069 00:42:13,069 --> 00:42:08,579 the last decades the 1950s and the 1970s 1070 00:42:15,410 --> 00:42:13,079 and more recently there's there's one 1071 00:42:16,970 --> 00:42:15,420 maybe it just simmers but every now and 1072 00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,980 then it bubbles up and then it simmers 1073 00:42:22,190 --> 00:42:19,200 down I don't know anyway we're going to 1074 00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:22,200 start by going way back to the era of 1075 00:42:30,420 --> 00:42:26,240 the first UFO flap first UFO 1076 00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:30,430 Mania way back in the 1950s 1077 00:42:35,810 --> 00:42:32,960 [Music] 1078 00:42:38,329 --> 00:42:35,820 and we have a report from the barrier 1079 00:42:41,770 --> 00:42:38,339 daily truth printed in broken Hill New 1080 00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:41,780 South Wales on the 30th of May in 1950. 1081 00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:46,440 another Flying Saucer debunked Lismore 1082 00:42:53,150 --> 00:42:50,400 May 29 the two weeks old Flying Saucer 1083 00:42:56,030 --> 00:42:53,160 mystery in the Lismore District was 1084 00:42:59,450 --> 00:42:56,040 solved this morning when a saucer was 1085 00:43:02,930 --> 00:42:59,460 identified as an aircraft a strange 1086 00:43:05,329 --> 00:43:02,940 object appeared in the sky at 7 45 a.m 1087 00:43:10,089 --> 00:43:05,339 about the same time as on previous 1088 00:43:13,010 --> 00:43:10,099 occasions see Hetherington of Bora Ridge 1089 00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:13,020 looked at the object through a telescope 1090 00:43:19,730 --> 00:43:15,660 and discovered it was the morning 1091 00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:19,740 newspaper plane coming from Casino 1092 00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,520 mainly is more in Casino being cities in 1093 00:43:28,130 --> 00:43:25,440 the North Coast region of New South 1094 00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,140 Wales and yes I guess if a strange 1095 00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,000 object appeared at the same time every 1096 00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:32,880 day it might be worth investigating 1097 00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:35,760 and now we'll go forward for years and 1098 00:43:42,770 --> 00:43:39,839 in this case today we are going to read 1099 00:43:44,410 --> 00:43:42,780 these stories in chronological order so 1100 00:43:47,870 --> 00:43:44,420 we go to the year 1101 00:43:50,089 --> 00:43:47,880 1954 on the 8th of January it was 1102 00:43:54,890 --> 00:43:50,099 published in the Sydney Morning Herald 1103 00:43:58,190 --> 00:43:54,900 flying sauces no longer a mystery and it 1104 00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:58,200 says by a special correspondent I wonder 1105 00:44:03,730 --> 00:44:01,440 what that means and as you'll hear I 1106 00:44:05,450 --> 00:44:03,740 don't know if this is 1107 00:44:07,370 --> 00:44:05,460 entirely 1108 00:44:09,950 --> 00:44:07,380 serious 1109 00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:09,960 the latest issue of the Australian 1110 00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:13,920 Flying Saucer magazine reports that the 1111 00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:17,760 saucer pace is increasing in tempo 1112 00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:21,359 in an editorial the magazine says it is 1113 00:44:26,690 --> 00:44:23,700 high time that the Australian government 1114 00:44:29,930 --> 00:44:26,700 took more than a superficial interest in 1115 00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:29,940 the subject for reasons that are as 1116 00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:33,359 obvious to us as to Washington and 1117 00:44:39,050 --> 00:44:36,240 equally as vital the editor points out 1118 00:44:41,450 --> 00:44:39,060 that the Australian Flying Saucer Bureau 1119 00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:41,460 has officially requested from the 1120 00:44:45,710 --> 00:44:42,900 Department of Air 1121 00:44:49,370 --> 00:44:45,720 copies of photographs of the Port 1122 00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:49,380 Moresby flying missile taken on August 1123 00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:53,520 30 by Mr T C Durie Deputy Regional 1124 00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:54,960 director of the civil aviation 1125 00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:57,599 Department in Port Moresby and Port 1126 00:45:03,470 --> 00:45:00,720 Moresby being up in Papua New Guinea the 1127 00:45:06,290 --> 00:45:03,480 magazine also lists 18 sightings of 1128 00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:06,300 flying sauces since July in Australia 1129 00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,119 New Zealand and the Pacific Islands it 1130 00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:11,359 records the information of a civilian 1131 00:45:19,550 --> 00:45:15,119 sourcer investigation Society in New 1132 00:45:23,569 --> 00:45:19,560 Zealand and it says that the mystery of 1133 00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:23,579 the Flying Saucer is no longer a mystery 1134 00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:26,640 the journal adds the source is already 1135 00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:29,280 known but any information about it is 1136 00:45:35,390 --> 00:45:32,280 being withheld by orders from a higher 1137 00:45:38,569 --> 00:45:35,400 source we advise those engaged in source 1138 00:45:41,690 --> 00:45:38,579 of work to please be very cautious 1139 00:45:43,849 --> 00:45:41,700 nine countries now have official 1140 00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:43,859 organizations investigating flying 1141 00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:47,040 sources in America a number of sighting 1142 00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:49,920 stations with batteries of high-speed 1143 00:45:54,530 --> 00:45:52,079 cameras have been established in 1144 00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,540 strategic positions particularly near 1145 00:45:59,210 --> 00:45:56,880 Atomic plants where sources have been 1146 00:46:02,450 --> 00:45:59,220 frequently reported the Australian 1147 00:46:04,670 --> 00:46:02,460 Institute of Applied psychology recently 1148 00:46:09,710 --> 00:46:04,680 described repeated sightings of flying 1149 00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:09,720 sources as not so much mass hysteria as 1150 00:46:14,990 --> 00:46:12,300 collective illusion others have 1151 00:46:18,170 --> 00:46:15,000 described flying sources as spots in 1152 00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:18,180 front of the eyes red blood Corps 1153 00:46:25,550 --> 00:46:21,200 puzzles inside the eyes 1154 00:46:28,690 --> 00:46:25,560 cobwebs flying high meteors flying high 1155 00:46:33,230 --> 00:46:28,700 distant headlights Venus the percities 1156 00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:33,240 balloons ionized air unionized air cold 1157 00:46:39,950 --> 00:46:36,480 air and hot air causing refraction at 1158 00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:39,960 certain levels and just hot air but 1159 00:46:43,790 --> 00:46:42,240 whether hot air or cold air millions of 1160 00:46:46,490 --> 00:46:43,800 words are pouring off the printing 1161 00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:46,500 presses about flying sources among the 1162 00:46:52,370 --> 00:46:48,900 newest contributions are three books 1163 00:46:55,609 --> 00:46:52,380 flying sources have landed by Desmond 1164 00:46:58,750 --> 00:46:55,619 Leslie and George adamski flying sauces 1165 00:47:01,790 --> 00:46:58,760 by Donald H Menzel professor of 1166 00:47:05,809 --> 00:47:01,800 astrophysics at Harvard University and 1167 00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:05,819 life and the universe by Earl Nelson the 1168 00:47:12,349 --> 00:47:08,280 authors of flying saucers have landed 1169 00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:12,359 state that they would prefer to use the 1170 00:47:22,730 --> 00:47:17,520 ancient names for Sky disks such as cars 1171 00:47:25,250 --> 00:47:22,740 Celestial vimanus and fiery chariots for 1172 00:47:27,790 --> 00:47:25,260 a curtain razor the authors of flying 1173 00:47:32,450 --> 00:47:27,800 sources have landed take us back to ad 1174 00:47:34,849 --> 00:47:32,460 1290 to the community of violent Abbey 1175 00:47:38,329 --> 00:47:34,859 Yorkshire according to an old manuscript 1176 00:47:40,970 --> 00:47:38,339 discovered at amplethorpe Abbey in 1177 00:47:42,430 --> 00:47:40,980 January 1953 a flying saucer passed over 1178 00:47:44,809 --> 00:47:42,440 Yorkshire 1179 00:47:47,089 --> 00:47:44,819 663 years ago 1180 00:47:48,829 --> 00:47:47,099 a translation of that part of the 1181 00:47:51,890 --> 00:47:48,839 manuscript dealing with the flying 1182 00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:51,900 sources says cook the sheep from Wilfred 1183 00:47:58,130 --> 00:47:55,260 and roasted them on the Feast of Simon 1184 00:48:01,250 --> 00:47:58,140 and Jude but when Henry the Abbott was 1185 00:48:03,470 --> 00:48:01,260 about to say grace John one of the 1186 00:48:06,530 --> 00:48:03,480 Brethren came in and said there was a 1187 00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:06,540 great portent outside then they all ran 1188 00:48:12,589 --> 00:48:09,599 out and lo a large round silver thing 1189 00:48:15,050 --> 00:48:12,599 like a disc flew slowly over them and 1190 00:48:18,650 --> 00:48:15,060 excited the greatest Terror 1191 00:48:21,290 --> 00:48:18,660 where at Henry the ab immediately cried 1192 00:48:23,809 --> 00:48:21,300 that Wilfred was an adulterer 1193 00:48:25,609 --> 00:48:23,819 the author's next exhibit is an old 1194 00:48:29,630 --> 00:48:25,619 print showing the startled inhabitants 1195 00:48:32,270 --> 00:48:29,640 of Devon gazing skywards at the neat 1196 00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:32,280 v-shaped formation of dark elliptical 1197 00:48:38,450 --> 00:48:35,880 objects rather like tadpoles with fins 1198 00:48:41,630 --> 00:48:38,460 or maybe streaming exhausts that passed 1199 00:48:44,569 --> 00:48:41,640 over Devon in 1804 these things are not 1200 00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:44,579 meteors Northern Lights or comets the 1201 00:48:49,309 --> 00:48:46,680 authors claim they are dark solid 1202 00:48:53,089 --> 00:48:49,319 objects flying in formation in broad 1203 00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,099 daylight the next step is into the 17th 1204 00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:55,680 and 18th century galleries of the flying 1205 00:49:01,250 --> 00:48:59,040 Saucy Museum where we are introduced to 1206 00:49:05,150 --> 00:49:01,260 an assembly of spacecraft of many 1207 00:49:07,849 --> 00:49:05,160 different shapes Hues and to sizes a few 1208 00:49:11,089 --> 00:49:07,859 of these claim the author can be glibly 1209 00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:11,099 dismissed as meteors Aurora or other 1210 00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:12,720 natural phenomena 1211 00:49:18,170 --> 00:49:15,119 Professor Menzel says most flying 1212 00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:18,180 sources have proved to be extraneous 1213 00:49:22,970 --> 00:49:20,880 objects like newspapers 1214 00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:22,980 newspapers 1215 00:49:28,750 --> 00:49:26,400 balloons and distant airplanes others 1216 00:49:32,930 --> 00:49:28,760 have been Searchlight or automobile 1217 00:49:37,550 --> 00:49:32,940 Reflections on a thin layer of cloud or 1218 00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:37,560 Haze our position as the professor is a 1219 00:49:42,650 --> 00:49:39,839 little like that of the policeman Who 1220 00:49:45,410 --> 00:49:42,660 coming home late one night saw a dim 1221 00:49:49,130 --> 00:49:45,420 figure ahead of him in the hall 1222 00:49:53,329 --> 00:49:49,140 he called hands up as he reached for his 1223 00:49:57,470 --> 00:49:53,339 gun he saw his antagonist also reach for 1224 00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:57,480 his gun so he quickly fired just as his 1225 00:50:03,230 --> 00:49:59,520 opponent fired back at him 1226 00:50:06,290 --> 00:50:03,240 to the accompaniment of crashing glass 1227 00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:06,300 he had seen his own image in the ball 1228 00:50:11,230 --> 00:50:08,880 mirror in spite of Professor Menzel's 1229 00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:11,240 debunking nine International 1230 00:50:16,730 --> 00:50:14,000 organizations are requesting eyewitness 1231 00:50:19,730 --> 00:50:16,740 accounts of the sighting of flying 1232 00:50:21,710 --> 00:50:19,740 sources accompanied by affidavits and 1233 00:50:25,849 --> 00:50:21,720 pictures if possible 1234 00:50:27,710 --> 00:50:25,859 footnote Professor Menzel's advisors if 1235 00:50:29,930 --> 00:50:27,720 you see a flying saucer you should turn 1236 00:50:32,270 --> 00:50:29,940 your head from side to side note it up 1237 00:50:35,150 --> 00:50:32,280 and down take off your glasses clean 1238 00:50:37,550 --> 00:50:35,160 them and replace them move towards the 1239 00:50:40,490 --> 00:50:37,560 sorcerer and see if it seems to evade 1240 00:50:41,450 --> 00:50:40,500 move away and see if it seems to follow 1241 00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:41,460 you 1242 00:50:48,049 --> 00:50:45,599 stoop down climb a tree note carefully 1243 00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,059 what happens and then repeat your 1244 00:50:52,490 --> 00:50:50,960 sequence so there we go some 1245 00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,500 some 1246 00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:54,960 interesting advice all the way back 1247 00:51:01,730 --> 00:50:56,960 there in uh 1248 00:51:04,130 --> 00:51:01,740 1954 and again that was um credited to a 1249 00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:04,140 special correspondent I wonder what the 1250 00:51:09,230 --> 00:51:06,839 story behind that is now leaping forward 1251 00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:09,240 some years into the next decade into the 1252 00:51:17,530 --> 00:51:13,760 1960s and that uh fabulous year of 1965 1253 00:51:22,370 --> 00:51:17,540 in the Canberra times on the 8th of July 1254 00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:22,380 UFO Antarctic mystery object Santiago 1255 00:51:26,589 --> 00:51:25,260 Wednesday Australian Associated Press 1256 00:51:29,569 --> 00:51:26,599 reuter 1257 00:51:32,930 --> 00:51:29,579 scientists at Argentine British and 1258 00:51:35,809 --> 00:51:32,940 Chilean Antarctic bases have reported an 1259 00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:35,819 unusual Celestial body hovering on the 1260 00:51:41,630 --> 00:51:38,400 horizon and sending geomagnetic 1261 00:51:43,730 --> 00:51:41,640 instruments wild the Chilean Air Force 1262 00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:43,740 said yesterday a British station 1263 00:51:50,089 --> 00:51:47,040 reported the object was yellowish red 1264 00:51:52,190 --> 00:51:50,099 varying to green and zipped about the 1265 00:51:54,890 --> 00:51:52,200 Horizon for about 10 minutes their 1266 00:51:57,290 --> 00:51:54,900 observations were confirmed by Argentine 1267 00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:57,300 and Chilean scientists on the following 1268 00:52:02,569 --> 00:52:00,240 day the Chilean Air Force command 1269 00:52:04,910 --> 00:52:02,579 yesterday published a report from the 1270 00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:04,920 Chilean station saying the object had 1271 00:52:11,470 --> 00:52:08,040 been seen twice in a fortnight 10 color 1272 00:52:14,390 --> 00:52:11,480 photographs have been taken of it 1965 1273 00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:14,400 Antarctic mystery objects 1274 00:52:21,290 --> 00:52:17,940 and finally we end up in the 1970s 1976 1275 00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:21,300 on the 9th of June and this comes to us 1276 00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:26,040 from the King Island news UFO info sort 1277 00:52:33,049 --> 00:52:30,720 then that's spelled s-o-u ght so they 1278 00:52:36,170 --> 00:52:33,059 are seeking UFO info 1279 00:52:38,450 --> 00:52:36,180 our society is interested to learn that 1280 00:52:41,450 --> 00:52:38,460 a king Island Man recently reported 1281 00:52:44,329 --> 00:52:41,460 citing an unidentified flying object 1282 00:52:47,450 --> 00:52:44,339 this baffling phenomenon which for 1283 00:52:50,030 --> 00:52:47,460 nearly 30 years has defined a convincing 1284 00:52:51,890 --> 00:52:50,040 explanation is now coming under close 1285 00:52:55,609 --> 00:52:51,900 scrutiny in scientific circles 1286 00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:55,619 particularly in America and France the 1287 00:53:01,370 --> 00:52:58,079 scientific world after years of 1288 00:53:03,650 --> 00:53:01,380 skepticism is now beginning to realize 1289 00:53:08,089 --> 00:53:03,660 that the best sightings provide evidence 1290 00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:08,099 of a genuinely unknown phenomenon and a 1291 00:53:13,549 --> 00:53:10,559 worldwide data collection that work has 1292 00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:13,559 been established in America by Dr J 1293 00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,520 Allen heineck a professional astronomer 1294 00:53:22,849 --> 00:53:20,160 who for many years was the leading 1295 00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:22,859 civilian consultant to the U.S Air Force 1296 00:53:29,329 --> 00:53:26,460 in its Project Blue Book investigations 1297 00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:29,339 this data collecting organization known 1298 00:53:36,650 --> 00:53:33,599 as the center for UFO studies has 1299 00:53:39,290 --> 00:53:36,660 requested all organizations like ours in 1300 00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:39,300 Australia to assist by sending the 1301 00:53:45,770 --> 00:53:42,240 centers computerized Data Bank details 1302 00:53:48,770 --> 00:53:45,780 of cases occurring in this country 1303 00:53:50,329 --> 00:53:48,780 the center has at its disposal highly 1304 00:53:54,109 --> 00:53:50,339 qualified experts in the physical 1305 00:53:58,010 --> 00:53:54,119 sciences and some Clues to the nature of 1306 00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:58,020 the origin of UFO manifestations May 1307 00:54:03,170 --> 00:54:00,960 begin to emerge from expert analysis of 1308 00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:03,180 a large volume of information from 1309 00:54:09,549 --> 00:54:06,660 eyewitnesses we would urge any of your 1310 00:54:11,930 --> 00:54:09,559 readers who might have made such 1311 00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:11,940 unexplainable observations to contact 1312 00:54:17,930 --> 00:54:15,119 our society the American study relies 1313 00:54:19,970 --> 00:54:17,940 for its information on the testimony of 1314 00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:19,980 eyewitnesses and anyone willing to 1315 00:54:24,290 --> 00:54:21,900 supply us with an account of their 1316 00:54:26,690 --> 00:54:24,300 experience maybe giving important 1317 00:54:29,089 --> 00:54:26,700 details which could help to elucidate 1318 00:54:31,370 --> 00:54:29,099 the mystery many witnesses to these 1319 00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:31,380 phenomena are understandably reluctant 1320 00:54:35,870 --> 00:54:33,839 to make their experiences known for fear 1321 00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:35,880 of becoming the target for ridicule 1322 00:54:41,089 --> 00:54:38,640 however we can assure anyone supplying 1323 00:54:44,329 --> 00:54:41,099 us with information that no unwanted 1324 00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:44,339 publicity will result and that their 1325 00:54:50,690 --> 00:54:48,000 evidence will be taken seriously your 1326 00:54:54,109 --> 00:54:50,700 sincerely Ray W Fisher honorary 1327 00:55:02,049 --> 00:54:54,119 secretary Victorian UFO research Society 1328 00:55:02,059 --> 00:55:06,400 foreign 1329 00:55:11,210 --> 00:55:08,349 [Music] 1330 00:55:13,370 --> 00:55:11,220 UFOs being reported in the Australian 1331 00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,380 press over the decades and I know we've 1332 00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:15,599 covered this topic many times before and 1333 00:55:22,010 --> 00:55:16,880 we will 1334 00:55:25,849 --> 00:55:23,990 well yes it is one of the classics of 1335 00:55:28,250 --> 00:55:25,859 skepticism investigating reports that 1336 00:55:32,089 --> 00:55:28,260 aliens in spacecraft 1337 00:55:35,150 --> 00:55:32,099 from other worlds are zipping around our 1338 00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:35,160 atmosphere and sometimes even into the 1339 00:55:39,410 --> 00:55:36,240 ocean 1340 00:55:41,150 --> 00:55:39,420 and well not So Much Anymore the The 1341 00:55:43,309 --> 00:55:41,160 Craze that seems to have died out 1342 00:55:46,190 --> 00:55:43,319 probably 1343 00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:46,200 to a very large extent anyway crop 1344 00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:47,280 circles 1345 00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:49,800 there's around about the late 90s into 1346 00:55:55,010 --> 00:55:53,040 the early 2000s I think stretching maybe 1347 00:55:57,890 --> 00:55:55,020 a bit longer that was the Heyday of crop 1348 00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:57,900 circles you really don't hear much about 1349 00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:59,520 them anymore 1350 00:56:04,010 --> 00:56:01,200 but whether you like to look up crop 1351 00:56:06,290 --> 00:56:04,020 circles or UFOs or whatever the case may 1352 00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:06,300 be there are many happy hours waiting 1353 00:56:11,170 --> 00:56:08,880 for you of research and interest at 1354 00:56:13,309 --> 00:56:11,180 Trove at 1355 00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:13,319 trove.nla.gov dot a u type in your 1356 00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:17,280 search because you never know what you 1357 00:56:20,130 --> 00:56:35,349 [Music] 1358 00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,710 thank you 1359 00:56:40,370 --> 00:56:38,880 [Applause] 1360 00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:40,380 well Richard I'm getting you a pair of 1361 00:56:44,809 --> 00:56:42,240 white knee socks for Christmas thanks 1362 00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:44,819 Maynard I got you a Astro Boy t-shirt 1363 00:56:49,490 --> 00:56:47,160 yeah it's a good one too it's it's made 1364 00:56:51,290 --> 00:56:49,500 out of cotton and everything only the 1365 00:56:53,690 --> 00:56:51,300 best for you may know what a great show 1366 00:56:55,250 --> 00:56:53,700 that was and coming up over the next few 1367 00:56:57,890 --> 00:56:55,260 weeks we have more interviews from our 1368 00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:57,900 guests from the European Skeptics 1369 00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:01,680 podcast the real ESP experience and if 1370 00:57:04,849 --> 00:57:03,119 you want to drop in on the on the 1371 00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:04,859 Christmas show on the 3rd of December 1372 00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:07,140 it's at 8 15. 1373 00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:09,119 australianist in whatever time it is 1374 00:57:12,829 --> 00:57:11,520 here and uh look get in the chat room 1375 00:57:13,970 --> 00:57:12,839 and say hello to Richard he might be 1376 00:57:16,490 --> 00:57:13,980 there and you can tell him how much you 1377 00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:16,500 like his camera work you can uh just go 1378 00:57:22,190 --> 00:57:20,400 to twomenon.com for more details and may 1379 00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:22,200 not as ever I'd like to thank those 1380 00:57:27,170 --> 00:57:24,240 wonderful patreons and PayPal supporters 1381 00:57:28,970 --> 00:57:27,180 who keep the show going look this this 1382 00:57:30,589 --> 00:57:28,980 show doesn't get made for nothing you 1383 00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:30,599 know I know Richard's always a bit you 1384 00:57:35,569 --> 00:57:32,460 know he's a bit too polite but come on 1385 00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:35,579 hit the tin people I mean it's look even 1386 00:57:39,470 --> 00:57:37,440 whatever what if it's just the lowest 1387 00:57:41,150 --> 00:57:39,480 amount every month and you get this high 1388 00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,160 quality show coming I mean who else is 1389 00:57:46,130 --> 00:57:43,440 going to read old newspapers to you 1390 00:57:48,049 --> 00:57:46,140 yeah that's right who else will read old 1391 00:57:50,210 --> 00:57:48,059 newspapers especially the ones we find 1392 00:57:52,490 --> 00:57:50,220 under your house yeah exactly so it's 1393 00:57:54,770 --> 00:57:52,500 all coming your way so come on get in 1394 00:57:56,990 --> 00:57:54,780 the group I mean really if if you if you 1395 00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:57,000 don't participate in something you can't 1396 00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:59,040 always expect it to be there next week 1397 00:58:02,510 --> 00:58:00,960 people I'm talking about next week next 1398 00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:02,520 week the Trove segment and old 1399 00:58:12,829 --> 00:58:09,490 uh the UFO 1400 00:58:15,770 --> 00:58:12,839 Illuminati no no look I'm look I've uh 1401 00:58:17,690 --> 00:58:15,780 he only died a few years ago yes and he 1402 00:58:20,210 --> 00:58:17,700 was a very interesting character and 1403 00:58:23,870 --> 00:58:20,220 I've uh I listened to a lot of UFO 1404 00:58:26,510 --> 00:58:23,880 podcasts of various sorts and uh there's 1405 00:58:29,210 --> 00:58:26,520 a lot of respect for Stanton 1406 00:58:31,010 --> 00:58:29,220 um but also uh who they thought it was 1407 00:58:32,030 --> 00:58:31,020 fairly fixed in his ideas sometimes too 1408 00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:32,040 yeah 1409 00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:34,020 um and look he was a big believer in 1410 00:58:39,109 --> 00:58:37,440 Roswell he certainly was and we 1411 00:58:40,730 --> 00:58:39,119 referenced that next week in the Trove 1412 00:58:43,970 --> 00:58:40,740 segment so something to look forward to 1413 00:58:45,950 --> 00:58:43,980 cool okay but look at the you keep go 1414 00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:45,960 it'll be engineer Ancient Aliens before 1415 00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,720 long Richard oh oh now you've given me 1416 00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:50,640 an idea you have given me an idea for a 1417 00:58:55,549 --> 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